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    Kel-Tec Sub 2000 made CA legal w/ Solar Tactical grip?

    Since carrying/transporting a rifle is a pain, and handgun carry will be much tougher come January, I was thinking a folding rifle like the Sub-2000 would be nice for visits to CA. It could easily fit in bags when folded.

    Some suggest that a Sub-2000 would be legal in California if you added one of these butt extensions:
    http://www.keltecweapons.com/product/stock-extension/ (Makes unfolded length 30 inches)



    And one of these grips:
    http://www.solartactical.com/KELTEC-...N-GRIP-339.htm (Makes it not an assault weapon because it doesn't have pistol grip?) Supposedly I guess. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter39.pdf This says
    (d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that
    allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index
    finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.
    Looking at the monsterman grip, you can see that they put in a grip angle that is much different:
    http://www.monstermangrip.com/Legal_Info.html

    To me, it seems like a "pistol style grasp" would not be possible with the solar tactical slip on grip, but it does not change the angle that the forward fingers would grasp the weapon. Your thumb would have to point up on the shooting hand though, and it seems that this would place the web of the trigger hand above the trigger unless you had a retarded grip where your finger pulled the trigger from below and barely grasped the gun at all, but to me that does not seem like a "pistol style grasp."

    What do you think?

    Someone on Glocktalk has one set up thus: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1186637
    Last edited by Felid`Maximus; 11-08-2011 at 08:14 PM.

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    I think you covered all the bases

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    My only question is, WHY would you "visit" California? To bring your tourist dollars to a state that is working fervently to confiscate your firearms? I wouldn't spend a bent dime in that state, and I am a former resident of 38 years. I was finally able to move out of that cesspool of Socialism, and I'm not looking back. As far as I'm concerned, the Mexicans can take it back and make all of those liberals Mexican citizens! you conservatives out there will need to move back to America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravedigger View Post
    My only question is, WHY would you "visit" California? To bring your tourist dollars to a state that is working fervently to confiscate your firearms? I wouldn't spend a bent dime in that state, and I am a former resident of 38 years. I was finally able to move out of that cesspool of Socialism, and I'm not looking back. As far as I'm concerned, the Mexicans can take it back and make all of those liberals Mexican citizens! you conservatives out there will need to move back to America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravedigger View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, the Mexicans can take it back and make all of those liberals Mexican citizens! you conservatives out there will need to move back to America.
    Those are fighting words. If you're a mexican sympathizer, maybe you belong in a different country as well as a different state.

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    Nice-looking subbie in that picture.

    My question is, could you carry a full magazine in the grip and not have it considered loaded (to make the Kalifornia Gun Grabbers happy)? After all the subbie is folded and unable to fire in that carry position.

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    As a side note, Bullet Buttons also exist for the Sub-2000 as an alternative to the fin.


    Quote Originally Posted by OC4me View Post
    My question is, could you carry a full magazine in the grip and not have it considered loaded (to make the Kalifornia Gun Grabbers happy)? After all the subbie is folded and unable to fire in that carry position.
    That would be awesome if it was not considered loaded in that state.

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