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    Maine now recognizes Michigan's permit

    http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-...0639--,00.html

    Michiganians can now carry in Maine on their Michigan CPLs. I know there was someone on here who was saying a reason they don't visit Maine is because they won't recognize Michigan's permit.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
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    When did all this start?

    Good news though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yance View Post
    When did all this start?

    Good news though!
    My understanding is Michigan signed the agreement about a month ago and Maine signed it a couple days ago. Michigan's permit is now recognized in every state that recognizes other states permits. So pretty much you can't be in a state with better recognition.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-...0639--,00.html

    Michiganians can now carry in Maine on their Michigan CPLs. I know there was someone on here who was saying a reason they don't visit Maine is because they won't recognize Michigan's permit.
    that would be me. I've long wanted to go camping in northern Maine, but refuse to go without a firearm for obvious reasons. Now I can. Great news.

    Now the next question... can I OC there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    that would be me. I've long wanted to go camping in northern Maine, but refuse to go without a firearm for obvious reasons. Now I can. Great news.

    Now the next question... can I OC there?
    Maine is an OC state. You know you can get a non-resident Maine permit? Pretty easy to get, MI won't issue me one but Maine had no problem. Just fill out the app, send in a check for $60, and proof you took some sort of firearm safety class (your CPL class) and you should have it in about 90 days.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    I sent an email to the MI AG a few months back (or seeing how it's already winter, could have been back in May), asking him to pursue a reciprocity agreement with Maine, and included relevant links to other states websites that Maine had reciprocity with, that had requirements much less stringent than what MI has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    I sent an email to the MI AG a few months back (or seeing how it's already winter, could have been back in May), asking him to pursue a reciprocity agreement with Maine, and included relevant links to other states websites that Maine had reciprocity with, that had requirements much less stringent than what MI has.
    Yeah there was no reason for them to not to our permit is def harder to get. They don't require fingerprints and min age is 18.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Maine still has to update their site
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Maine still has to update their site
    Michigan's permit is still legally recognized whether they put it on their website or not.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    About 2 yeras ago I called the head of the Maine State Police and left a message asking why Michigan CPL holders could not carry concealed in Maine. About an hour later I received a call back from the "Colonel" himself (can't remember his name right now). Basically, he said that Michigan's requirements were fine but that they (Michigan) would not sign a reciprocity agreement with Maine as required by Maine law. I then called the AG office and talked to a representative there who told me they would sign an agreement...as they had with other states. I then called the Colonel once again, and he once again returned my call and I spoke with him directly. I gave him the contact infornation at the AG's office and he said he would contact them.

    I didn't hear anything about it until this past September when Gary Slider at Handgunlaw.us posted that he had it from reliable sources that Michigan and Maine were working on an agreement. I was hoping this would come through. I believe that, with Maine accepting our CPL, we are now the "most accepted" state license... but I have not verified that. YEAH!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Maine still has to update their site
    If you want "proof", besides the Michigan AG just saying Maine now recognizes Michigan CPL, I posted the following link:

    http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/doc_pdf/main_reciprocity.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    About 2 yeras ago I called the head of the Maine State Police and left a message asking why Michigan CPL holders could not carry concealed in Maine. About an hour later I received a call back from the "Colonel" himself (can't remember his name right now). Basically, he said that Michigan's requirements were fine but that they (Michigan) would not sign a reciprocity agreement with Maine as required by Maine law. I then called the AG office and talked to a representative there who told me they would sign an agreement...as they had with other states. I then called the Colonel once again, and he once again returned my call and I spoke with him directly. I gave him the contact infornation at the AG's office and he said he would contact them.

    I didn't hear anything about it until this past September when Gary Slider at Handgunlaw.us posted that he had it from reliable sources that Michigan and Maine were working on an agreement. I was hoping this would come through. I believe that, with Maine accepting our CPL, we are now the "most accepted" state license... but I have not verified that. YEAH!!
    If were are not the single best we are tied because the only states that don't recognize ours don't recognize any other states permits.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    If you want "proof", besides the Michigan AG just saying Maine now recognizes Michigan CPL, I posted the following link:

    http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/doc_pdf/main_reciprocity.pdf

    I wasn't looking for "proof"...just pointing out that not all the websites were updated yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    I wasn't looking for "proof"...just pointing out that not all the websites were updated yet.
    The "you" to whom I was referring was "readers in general". My point in posting was that IF anyone is traveling to Maine and they don't have the addition of Michigan on their website, having a copy of the agreement might make the trip a little more comfortable. In no way was I trying to imply that you specifically didn't believe it.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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