BigDave
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Only because the City of Tacoma says so.....something I admittedly failed to address. Lacking Tacoma's law it is not illegal.
ROFLMAO, No Because State Law Says So, it has been spelled out many times for you already.
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Tacoma Dome
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ROFLMAO, No Because State Law Says So, it has been spelled out many times for you already.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
....state law does not make it illegal to carry at stadiums without a cpl it only grants a preemption........
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BigDave
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....state law does not make it illegal to carry at stadiums........
I know it is difficult to grasp, but the legislature added this to allow cities and counties to implement some ordinances to restriction firearms and in that they included Stadium or Convention Centers with an exception of those who posses a concealed pistol license and the City of Tacoma has taken advantage of that in their ordinance.
So other then that, it must be another one of those laws that you feel do not apply to you.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
You really are that desperate to attack me that you are attacking me on a point I don't disagree on?
The state doesn't make it illegal. Tacoma does......
Nice ad hominem thrown in too.
If they make guns illegal tomorrow you turning yours in?
P.S. No where have I ever said laws don't apply to me, only that many laws are simply unconsitutional , tyrannical and freedom strangling.
The state doesn't make it illegal. Tacoma does......
Nice ad hominem thrown in too.
If they make guns illegal tomorrow you turning yours in?
P.S. No where have I ever said laws don't apply to me, only that many laws are simply unconsitutional , tyrannical and freedom strangling.
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BigDave
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The state doesn't make it illegal. Tacoma does......
Oh, LOL The State fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation but allows for some control by Cities and Counties but oh no they do not make it illegal, Yeah Right.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
That's right not a difficult concept to grasp. They allow an exception for cities to make their own laws in a few certain areas. This does not mean the State makes it illegal.....
And it goes on to list where the State withholds their preemption.
jt59
Regular Member
Anything Changed?
So, Going to the Silver Bullet Band Concert...
From the Dome site rule/policy;
Firearms
For the safety of all guests, firearms of any kind, regardless of permit, are not allowed in the Tacoma Dome. The only exception to this is UNIFORMED law enforcement personnel in the performance of their official duties. The presenter of an event ticket consents to a reasonable search for weapons before entering. Failure to comply with the above conditions will result in not being admitted to the event or ejection. If a patron enters the Tacoma Dome and is ejected for any reason, no refunds or exchanges will be allowed in such an event.
This seems to fly in the face of what we know for CPL holders under:
(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:
(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and
(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:
(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
Anybody with some recent experience to share? I thought that this was addressed with them a long time ago?
So, Going to the Silver Bullet Band Concert...
From the Dome site rule/policy;
Firearms
For the safety of all guests, firearms of any kind, regardless of permit, are not allowed in the Tacoma Dome. The only exception to this is UNIFORMED law enforcement personnel in the performance of their official duties. The presenter of an event ticket consents to a reasonable search for weapons before entering. Failure to comply with the above conditions will result in not being admitted to the event or ejection. If a patron enters the Tacoma Dome and is ejected for any reason, no refunds or exchanges will be allowed in such an event.
This seems to fly in the face of what we know for CPL holders under:
(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:
(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and
(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:
(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
Anybody with some recent experience to share? I thought that this was addressed with them a long time ago?
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Bill Starks
State Researcher
this was, guess it's time for me to attend the city council meetings again.The Tacoma Dome (& Cheney Stadium) is owned and operated by the city (unlike Seattle who uses a third party to manage the facility)
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
This may be one where we attend some council meetings and get the SAF to write them a letter.
jt59
Regular Member
So, signs all over...no weapons...
Went in with a crowd...they checked the wife's purse, and asked me to remove my hat... I had a pullover jacket, and a Sig 380 concealed on my hip.
They were having the men with zipper or button jackets, open them and have a quick look...SOB would have worked
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
I will have to show you how to carry into stadiums.
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
http://www.beltoutlet.com/eveg1004....m_medium=cse&gclid=CODp6LLuo7YCFap_QgodajoA_A
probably use one of those for T-dome events. it's got a concealed pouch for your gun that's hidden under other pouches... security check? just open the front pouch, unless they know it's a CC pouch they won't even know the gun is in there...
probably use one of those for T-dome events. it's got a concealed pouch for your gun that's hidden under other pouches... security check? just open the front pouch, unless they know it's a CC pouch they won't even know the gun is in there...
1245A Defender
Regular Member
Huh!!!
Funny this thread is now a "how to get your gun past security",
but is really supposed to be about
the illeagality of Tacoma violating state preemption.
BTW, I know the proper way to get your bug past the wand and check point too, you wrote it here, I read it!
Funny this thread is now a "how to get your gun past security",
but is really supposed to be about
the illeagality of Tacoma violating state preemption.
BTW, I know the proper way to get your bug past the wand and check point too, you wrote it here, I read it!
Difdi
Regular Member
That last line particularly bothers me. The city/Dome management seems to be saying that if they kick you out unlawfully you would not be entitled to a refund.
State preemption absolutely applies to a city-owned property running a city event. If you have a CPL, then carry isn't against state or city laws. At that point, kicking you out for exercising your rights under the law would be discriminating against you for exercising those rights. I can't imagine a court siding with the city on the no-refunds rule in those circumstances.
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bmg50cal
Regular Member
This sounds like an investment with a possible check cashing outcome. lol
1911er
Regular Member
The only thing in my opinion they could get you with is RCW 70.108.020: For the purposes of this chapter the following words and phrases shall have the indicated meanings:
(1) "Applicant" means the promoter who has the right of control of the conduct of an outdoor music festival who applies to the appropriate legislative authority for a license to hold an outdoor music festival.
(2) "Issuing authority" means the legislative body of the local governmental unit where the site for an outdoor music festival is located.
(3) "Outdoor music festival" or "music festival" or "festival" means an assembly of persons gathered primarily for outdoor, live or recorded musical entertainment, where the predicted attendance is two thousand persons or more and where the duration of the program is five hours or longer: PROVIDED, That this definition shall not be applied to any regularly established permanent place of worship, stadium, athletic field, arena, auditorium, coliseum, or other similar permanently established places of assembly for assemblies which do not exceed by more than two hundred fifty people the maximum seating capacity of the structure where the assembly is held: PROVIDED, FURTHER, That this definition shall not apply to government sponsored fairs held on regularly established fairgrounds nor to assemblies required to be licensed under other laws or regulations of the state.
(4) "Participate" means to knowingly provide or deliver to the festival site supplies, materials, food, lumber, beverages, sound equipment, generators, or musical entertainment and/or to attend a music festival. A person shall be presumed to have knowingly provided as that phrase is used herein after he or she has been served with a court order.
(5) "Promoter" means any person or other legal entity issued a permit to conduct an outdoor music festival.
Just my 2 cents although IANAL
jt59
Regular Member
jt59
Regular Member
Not sure where you're going with this... the Tacoma Dome is not an outdoor venue (obviously) and the event lasted from 8-11:00
1911er
Regular Member
Didn't realize it was a short event
(3) "Outdoor music festival" or "music festival" or "festival" means an assembly of persons gathered primarily for outdoor, live or recorded musical entertainment, where the predicted attendance is two thousand persons or more
So if you don't have a CPL, you can still bring a gun in, according to the other exemption RCW 9.41.060:
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper;
backpack/lumbar pack/messenger bag.
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper;
backpack/lumbar pack/messenger bag.