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    Saslaw is out... here's a list of the gun bills they killed

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    Seems to be a good time to take a stroll through the past two years and remember some of the bills that were killed in direct violation of Senate Rule 20.h.

    I'm not saying we should just automatically push for all these bills this year, but here's a good reminder of just what was lost due to the rule violation by the former majority party of the Senate.

    If I was careful enough, each of these bills ended up with a final disposition of "Left in Courts of Justice," even though they were actually voted down in the indicated subcommittee. The LIS website was apparently not equipped to properly document the final status, and why would it be, since it was a violation of the rules!?

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    2010: The "Special" subcommittee
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...sub+S030040304

    H.B. 26
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB26

    Patron: Wright

    Application for concealed handgun permit; documentation and information provided by applicant. Clarifies that the clerk of court accepting a concealed handgun permit application shall not require the applicant to provide any documentation or information not required by 18.2-308 or by the application form prescribed by the Department of State Police.

    H.B. 49
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB49

    Patron: Lingamfelter

    Purchase of handguns; repeal one-gun-a-month limitation. Repeals the prohibition against purchasing more than one handgun in a 30-day period.

    H.B. 52
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB52

    Patron: Cole

    Failure to carry concealed handgun permit. Provides that failure to produce, upon demand of a law-enforcement officer, a concealed handgun permit and a government-issued photo identification while carrying a concealed handgun is punishable by a $25 civil penalty. A court may waive this penalty if the person presents a valid concealed handgun permit and government-issued photo identification to the court. The bill also introduces an affirmative defense, of having a valid concealed handgun permit, to a charge of violating the concealed weapons statute.

    H.B. 69
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB69

    Patron: Carrico

    Firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured and retained in Virginia. Declares that firearms, firearm accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured commercially or privately in Virginia, and that remain within the borders of Virginia, shall not be subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of the United States Congress to regulate interstate commerce. This bill incorporates HB 886.

    H.B. 79
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB79

    Patron: Ware, R.L.

    Concealed handgun permits; access to applications and permittee information. Prohibits a clerk of court from providing public access to concealed handgun permit applications and information regarding identifiable permittees without the written consent of the applicant or permittee. The applications and information would be available to law-enforcement agencies, and the clerk of court would be authorized to release aggregate information that does not identify individual applicants or permittees.

    H.B. 108
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB108

    Patron: Cole

    Disposition of firearms. Provides that no locality may participate in any program in which individuals are given a thing of value in exchange for surrendering a firearm to the locality unless the governing body of the locality has enacted an ordinance authorizing the participation of the locality. The ordinance shall require that such firearms shall be sold by public auction or sealed bids to a person licensed as a dealer.

    H.B. 171
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB171

    Patron: Pogge

    Firearms in locked vehicles; immunity from liability. Provides that no person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business owner may prohibit a person who lawfully possesses a firearm from storing that firearm in a locked motor vehicle. The bill provides civil immunity for such persons, property owners, tenants, employers, or business owners. The provisions of the bill would not apply to possession of firearms on property on which a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm; (ii) vehicles on property (a) to which access is restricted or limited through the use of a gate; or (b) upon which a building occupied by a single employer and its affiliated entities is located and in which access to the building is restricted or limited by card access; (iii) vehicles owned or leased by an employer or business entity and used by an employee in the course of his employment; (iv) personal vehicles while such vehicles are being used for the transport of consumers of programs licensed by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services; or (v) vehicles on property controlled by an employer required to develop and implement a security plan under federal law or regulation.

    H.B. 236
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB236

    Patron: Janis

    Shooting firearms in certain areas. Makes a locality no longer able to prohibit hunting generally within a half-mile radius of a subdivision, but a locality would still be able to prohibit hunting within a subdivision.

    H.B. 490
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB490

    Patron: Lingamfelter

    Development of plan for the issuance of a lifetime concealed handgun permit. Directs the Department of State Police, in cooperation with the Secretary of Public Safety, to develop a plan to allow for the State Police to issue lifetime concealed handgun permits to Virginia residents. The Department and the Secretary shall submit the plan, and any recommended legislative changes to implement the plan, to the Chairmen of the House Committee on Militia, Police, and Public Safety and the Senate Committee for Courts of Justice by October 15, 2010.

    H.B. 1070
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...101+sum+HB1070

    Patron: Athey

    Carrying of concealed handguns in emergency shelters. Provides that a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit may not be barred from carrying a concealed handgun in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons.


    2011: Planned ahead this year, they sent these to the "Criminal" subcommittee.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sub+S03001

    January 17, 2011:

    S.B. 876
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?111+sum+SB876

    Patron: Stuart

    Castle doctrine. Encodes a version of the "castle doctrine," allowing a lawful occupant to use of physical force, including deadly force, against an intruder in his dwelling who has committed an overt act against him, without civil liability.

    Januray 27, 2011:

    S.B. 1084
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sum+SB1084

    Patron: Hanger

    Access to concealed handgun permittee information. Prohibits the clerk of the court from disclosing identifying information contained on a concealed handgun permit application or on an order issuing a concealed handgun permit, if so requested by the applicant or permittee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Seems to be a good time to take a stroll through the past two years and remember some of the bills that were killed in direct violation of Senate Rule 20.h.

    I'm not saying we should just automatically push for all these bills this year, but here's a good reminder of just what was lost due to the rule violation by the former majority party of the Senate.

    If I was careful enough, each of these bills ended up with a final disposition of "Left in Courts of Justice," even though they were actually voted down in the indicated subcommittee. The LIS website was apparently not equipped to properly document the final status, and why would it be, since it was a violation of the rules!?

    TFred

    ==========================================

    2010: The "Special" subcommittee
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...sub+S030040304

    H.B. 26
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB26

    Patron: Wright

    Application for concealed handgun permit; documentation and information provided by applicant. Clarifies that the clerk of court accepting a concealed handgun permit application shall not require the applicant to provide any documentation or information not required by 18.2-308 or by the application form prescribed by the Department of State Police.

    H.B. 49
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB49

    Patron: Lingamfelter

    Purchase of handguns; repeal one-gun-a-month limitation. Repeals the prohibition against purchasing more than one handgun in a 30-day period.

    H.B. 52
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB52

    Patron: Cole

    Failure to carry concealed handgun permit. Provides that failure to produce, upon demand of a law-enforcement officer, a concealed handgun permit and a government-issued photo identification while carrying a concealed handgun is punishable by a $25 civil penalty. A court may waive this penalty if the person presents a valid concealed handgun permit and government-issued photo identification to the court. The bill also introduces an affirmative defense, of having a valid concealed handgun permit, to a charge of violating the concealed weapons statute.

    H.B. 69
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB69

    Patron: Carrico

    Firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured and retained in Virginia. Declares that firearms, firearm accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured commercially or privately in Virginia, and that remain within the borders of Virginia, shall not be subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of the United States Congress to regulate interstate commerce. This bill incorporates HB 886.

    H.B. 79
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...e?101+sum+HB79

    Patron: Ware, R.L.

    Concealed handgun permits; access to applications and permittee information. Prohibits a clerk of court from providing public access to concealed handgun permit applications and information regarding identifiable permittees without the written consent of the applicant or permittee. The applications and information would be available to law-enforcement agencies, and the clerk of court would be authorized to release aggregate information that does not identify individual applicants or permittees.

    H.B. 108
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB108

    Patron: Cole

    Disposition of firearms. Provides that no locality may participate in any program in which individuals are given a thing of value in exchange for surrendering a firearm to the locality unless the governing body of the locality has enacted an ordinance authorizing the participation of the locality. The ordinance shall require that such firearms shall be sold by public auction or sealed bids to a person licensed as a dealer.

    H.B. 171
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB171

    Patron: Pogge

    Firearms in locked vehicles; immunity from liability. Provides that no person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business owner may prohibit a person who lawfully possesses a firearm from storing that firearm in a locked motor vehicle. The bill provides civil immunity for such persons, property owners, tenants, employers, or business owners. The provisions of the bill would not apply to possession of firearms on property on which a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm; (ii) vehicles on property (a) to which access is restricted or limited through the use of a gate; or (b) upon which a building occupied by a single employer and its affiliated entities is located and in which access to the building is restricted or limited by card access; (iii) vehicles owned or leased by an employer or business entity and used by an employee in the course of his employment; (iv) personal vehicles while such vehicles are being used for the transport of consumers of programs licensed by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services; or (v) vehicles on property controlled by an employer required to develop and implement a security plan under federal law or regulation.

    H.B. 236
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB236

    Patron: Janis

    Shooting firearms in certain areas. Makes a locality no longer able to prohibit hunting generally within a half-mile radius of a subdivision, but a locality would still be able to prohibit hunting within a subdivision.

    H.B. 490
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB490

    Patron: Lingamfelter

    Development of plan for the issuance of a lifetime concealed handgun permit. Directs the Department of State Police, in cooperation with the Secretary of Public Safety, to develop a plan to allow for the State Police to issue lifetime concealed handgun permits to Virginia residents. The Department and the Secretary shall submit the plan, and any recommended legislative changes to implement the plan, to the Chairmen of the House Committee on Militia, Police, and Public Safety and the Senate Committee for Courts of Justice by October 15, 2010.

    H.B. 1070
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...101+sum+HB1070

    Patron: Athey

    Carrying of concealed handguns in emergency shelters. Provides that a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit may not be barred from carrying a concealed handgun in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons.


    2011: Planned ahead this year, they sent these to the "Criminal" subcommittee.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sub+S03001

    January 17, 2011:

    S.B. 876
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?111+sum+SB876

    Patron: Stuart

    Castle doctrine. Encodes a version of the "castle doctrine," allowing a lawful occupant to use of physical force, including deadly force, against an intruder in his dwelling who has committed an overt act against him, without civil liability.

    Januray 27, 2011:

    S.B. 1084
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sum+SB1084

    Patron: Hanger

    Access to concealed handgun permittee information. Prohibits the clerk of the court from disclosing identifying information contained on a concealed handgun permit application or on an order issuing a concealed handgun permit, if so requested by the applicant or permittee.
    Good job, Tfred!

    Constitutional Carry would eliminate the need for a number of these bills, e.g. HB 26, HB 52, HB 79, HB 171*, HB 490, HB 1070* & SB 1084. See how much simpler life can be?

    *We might still want versions of these for clarification.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Good job, Tfred!

    Constitutional Carry would eliminate the need for a number of these bills, e.g. HB 26, HB 52, HB 79, HB 171*, HB 490, HB 1070* & SB 1084. See how much simpler life can be?

    *We might still want versions of these for clarification.
    Actually, several of them would still be needed, if only for reciprocity with other states (HB 26, HB 79, SB 1084, HB490), and others because of Federal laws that we still need to get changed (HB 1070, as many emergency shelters are located in schools).
    Alma 43:47 - "And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by grylnsmn View Post
    Actually, several of them would still be needed, if only for reciprocity with other states (HB 26, HB 79, SB 1084, HB490), and others because of Federal laws that we still need to get changed (HB 1070, as many emergency shelters are located in schools).
    Constitutional Carry would automatically honor every other state's version of a CHP here basically because no carry permit would be needed by anyone. The VSP could still issue CHPs to any VA resident who requests one, instead of circuit court judges, with optional endorsements to meet other state's requirements for reciprocity (e.g. training, BG check, etc.). I mentioned that HB 171 & 1070 might be useful.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Constitutional Carry would automatically honor every other state's version of a CHP here basically because no carry permit would be needed by anyone. The VSP could still issue CHPs to any VA resident who requests one, instead of circuit court judges, with optional endorsements to meet other state's requirements for reciprocity (e.g. training, BG check, etc.). I mentioned that HB 171 & 1070 might be useful.
    I could be mistaken here, but I think Arizona's version of Constitutional carry only applies to residents of Arizona. Visitors still need a hall pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Constitutional Carry would automatically honor every other state's version of a CHP here basically because no carry permit would be needed by anyone. The VSP could still issue CHPs to any VA resident who requests one, instead of circuit court judges, with optional endorsements to meet other state's requirements for reciprocity (e.g. training, BG check, etc.). I mentioned that HB 171 & 1070 might be useful.
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    I could be mistaken here, but I think Arizona's version of Constitutional carry only applies to residents of Arizona. Visitors still need a hall pass.
    I guess that's AZ's perogative to apply selective constitutional privilege. Our OC status isn't resident dependent. It would seem that Constitutional Carry would follow that model.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    I could be mistaken here, but I think Arizona's version of Constitutional carry only applies to residents of Arizona. Visitors still need a hall pass.
    I think you are mistaken with this regard. Do you have a ARS statute that led you to that conclusion?

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    Would that not violate Amendment 14 Section 1 of the US Constitution?
    Has that ever stopped them before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    I could be mistaken here, but I think Arizona's version of Constitutional carry only applies to residents of Arizona. Visitors still need a hall pass.
    Arizona's constitutional carry is unrestricted by residency requirements. You are thinking of Wyoming's law, which allows any Wyoming resident who would otherwise qualify for a CHP to carry concealed without a permit.
    Alma 43:47 - "And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed...."
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    I can not even began to express the importance of the parking lot bill to me.

    The bill I am most worried about is the Parking Lot Bill, be it HB 171 or some other better version.

    I am beyond angry that I still have to be unarmed wile communing to and from work! ....or I have to risk being fired by violating corporate policy by having a legally owned firearm stored safely in my personal vehicle. The Saslaw and Co. do not control the senate, anymore. It is time to pass a law telling employers our firearms stored in our personal vehicles are not their concern.

    If a parking lot bill does not get passed now I will be beyond dismayed and furious. This bills time has come.
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