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    Herr Heckler Koch
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    Training in More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, Third ed

    I commented to Dr. Lott that there was no mention of "training" in the index to MGLC-3rd and asked "Is training a field in any of your databases and are there any notable correlations with training?"

    "Ugh? Well, whatever is in the index, there are very long discussions in the book on training. Both Chapters 9 and 10 have substantial discussions on training. Obviously chapter 10 has the most recent information, but Chapter 9 has the most detailed discussion. I have discussions on the impact that training has on the number of permits issued as well as their impact on crime rates. I hope that this helps."

    Here are what might be some of the index entries for "training" in the fourth edition of MGLC.

    Chapter Nine - Updating the Results in 2000

    Reviewing the Basic Results

    pp.176, 177 This is not to say that there are not also benefits from training (that is a separate issue), but in the narrow issue of how many permits will be issued, there is no doubt that longer training requirements discourage some people from getting permits.

    p.177 For example, the three states (Alaska, Arizona, and Texas) requiring at least ten hours of training adopted their rules during the last few years of the sample, and Arizona is the only right-to-carry state that requires additional training when permits are renewed.

    p.177 Based on state-level data, table 9.2 shows the impact of permit fees, training requirements, and how long (in years) the law has been in effect.

    p.177 And requiring five hours of training (rather than none) reduces the number of permits by about two-thirds of a percentage point.

    p.177 In a typical state without any fees or training requirements, the percentage of the population with permits would grow from about 3 percent to a little less than 6 percent after a decade.

    p.177 Table 9.2 What determines the rate at which people obtain permits? Dependent variable is "Percentage of the state population with permits" (each result is significant at the 1 percent level for a two-tailed t-test.)

    $10 increase in permit fee -0.5%
    5-hour increase in training requirement -0.06%
    5 years after the law has passed, assuming no fee or training requirement 4.8%
    10 years after the law has passed, assuming no fee or training requirement 6.1%

    Chapter Ten - A Decade Later: Nine More Years of Data and Nine More States

    So What Has Happened over the Last Decade

    p.255 Later-adopting states had, on average, higher fees for getting a permit (even adjusted for inflation), longer training hours, and older minimum required ages.

    p.256 Table 10.2 Criteria for concealed-handgun permits in right-to-carry states in 2005

    The dependent variable of interest is "Training length (hours)." The independent variable is right-to-carry in 2005 state name.

    p.258 Table 10.3 Criteria for permits based on when the right-to-carry laws went into effect

    The dependent variable of interest is "Average training time to qualify for a permit (hours)".

    Prior to 1977 0.7
    1980s 4.0
    1990s 5.45
    2000s 9.5

    p.258 The fees, training requirements, permit duration, and number of prohibited places all have important implications for studying right-to-carry laws.

    MGLC-3rd is now available in searchable e-book format. If someone will read more closely or search for mentions of "training" and list them here then we will all benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
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    p.258 Table 10.3 Criteria for permits based on when the right-to-carry laws went into effect

    The dependent variable of interest is "Average training time to qualify for a permit (hours)".

    Prior to 1977 0.7
    1980s 4.0
    1990s 5.45
    2000s 9.5

    ....
    I wonder if Dr. Lott considers Wisconsin an outlier or a trend setter?
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    Herr Heckler Koch
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    I wonder if Dr. Lott considers Wisconsin an outlier or a trend setter?
    Depending on the variable, of course, a time series for instance, a trend-setter is an outlier on the right tail.

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    The tip of the spear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    Depending on the variable, of course, a time series for instance, a trend-setter is an outlier on the right tail.
    Yes, of course, but does he consider us an anomaly or the face of the future? From the number of participants viewing this section of the website it begins to look like we are close to the tip of the 2A spear.
    Dave
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    Fight for "Stand Your Ground " legislation!

    WI DA Gerald R. Fox:
    "These so-called 'public safety' laws only put decent law-abiding citizens at a dangerous disadvantage when it comes to their personal safety, and I for one am glad that this decades-long era of defective thinking on gun issues is over..."

    Remember: Don't make old People mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off.

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