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    First experience open carrying

    Well folks, I've owned rifles and shotguns my whole life. After relocating to NC from a very restrictive state, I figured I would apply ASAP and get my PPP. Picked it up today, and purchased my first handgun, a G23. Don't know if this qualifies as an oc experience, but I had to step out of my building into the main area of my living complex to meet a girl that I had never met before. She lost her cat, and I had spotted it, so I was trying to show her the place it had last been seen. Well to my surprise, she was completely unbothered by the fact that I had my glock in a serpa on my right hip. She was definately aware of it, but didn't seem bothered or even scared by it. I gotta admit that I am still a lil shaky about the whole open carry thing, but I think I will slowly get over it. Overall it was a positive experience, even though most gun stores in my neighborhood seem to be dead set against open carry. Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    Well folks, I've owned rifles and shotguns my whole life. After relocating to NC from a very restrictive state, I figured I would apply ASAP and get my PPP. Picked it up today, and purchased my first handgun, a G23. Don't know if this qualifies as an oc experience, but I had to step out of my building into the main area of my living complex to meet a girl that I had never met before. She lost her cat, and I had spotted it, so I was trying to show her the place it had last been seen. Well to my surprise, she was completely unbothered by the fact that I had my glock in a serpa on my right hip. She was definately aware of it, but didn't seem bothered or even scared by it. I gotta admit that I am still a lil shaky about the whole open carry thing, but I think I will slowly get over it. Overall it was a positive experience, even though most gun stores in my neighborhood seem to be dead set against open carry. Why is that?
    Just glad you didn't offer to help get her cat out of a tree....lol

    As for feeling a little wierd; it is because you have been taught only cops are allowed to carry guns. You will soon feel the other way, that if you don't have it you will feel naked. I give you two weeks a month tops of open carry and you won't want to go check your mail without it...lol

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    Welcome to the forum, and congrats to you on your first official open carry.
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    Thank you, glad to be here. I do have a question, and sorry if it has been posted before. I've been searching and cant seem to get the right answer. I know that carrying on my hip is not considered in plain view once I sit in my vehicle due to the console, seatbelts, etc.. I drive a jeep wrangler, that does not have a trunk, so where would the best place be? People seem to say that the passenger seat is a good place, but what happens if that seat is occupied? Can I put it on the back seat? MY back windows have factory tint, so is that considered "plainview". I'm more than a lil confused with regards to the best way to carry in my Jeep. Anybody that can help? Really appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    I give you two weeks a month tops of open carry and you won't want to go check your mail without it...lol
    So true lol. I don't even walk across the parking lot to do my laundry without my friend on my hip lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySoldier22 View Post
    So true lol. I don't even walk across the parking lot to do my laundry without my friend on my hip lol.
    funny, because I just took a walk to my complex gym where we have a vending machine to get a soda. My new toy just had to go with me. baby steps....

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    Thank you, glad to be here. I do have a question, and sorry if it has been posted before. I've been searching and cant seem to get the right answer. I know that carrying on my hip is not considered in plain view once I sit in my vehicle due to the console, seatbelts, etc.. I drive a jeep wrangler, that does not have a trunk, so where would the best place be? People seem to say that the passenger seat is a good place, but what happens if that seat is occupied? Can I put it on the back seat? MY back windows have factory tint, so is that considered "plainview". I'm more than a lil confused with regards to the best way to carry in my Jeep. Anybody that can help? Really appreciate it.
    "I know that carrying on my hip is not considered in plain view once I sit in my vehicle due to the console, seatbelts, etc." Says who? I always keep my gun on my hip, never had a problem before. I've yet to hear of anybody being charged for CCW while driving because the console covered the gun. And I've had plenty of experiences talking to cops out of my car window

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    So your saying I can keep on my hip without it being concealed. Then why so many posts about keeping on seat. I'm confused, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    So your saying I can keep on my hip without it being concealed. Then why so many posts about keeping on seat. I'm confused, sorry.
    I would be cautious with that. If you have your handgun in its holster on your hip, I would say that it would be up to the officer as to whether they think that the gun is concealed or not. Since you have no idea what the officer's views on this will be, I would say you have, at best, a 50-50 chance as to whether that particular officer will agree that it is not concealed. If they think it is concealed, then you lose.

    The state does not really help in this matter. All that they say is that if you have a handgun in your vehicle and you do not have a concealed handgun permit, then it better not be concealed. If it is concealed, then the question is about accessibility. If an officer feels that your hip holstered gun is concealed, then it is accessible and you are now on the wrong side of the law.

    This is where placing the gun on the seat or on the dash board comes in. I know that some will carry in their holster and if stopped, they will remove it and either put it on the seat or put it on the dash prior to the officer coming up the the car. Others have devised holster retention rigs that keep the gun secured and accessible but also out in the open. Others just keep the gun on the seat (but that is problematic with sudden stops or accidents).

    I am not a lawyer so take the above for what it is worth. I would also suggest reading the following from the NC Attorney General (specifically the part on Transporting Weapons on page 20)...

    http://www.ncdoj.com/getdoc/32344299...-gun-Laws.aspx

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    Well I just had an idea, what if I were to fashion a serpa holster to the dash in my jeep. That way I could unholster my firearm, and reholster it in the dash mounted setup. Would that be a safer, better option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    Well I just had an idea, what if I were to fashion a serpa holster to the dash in my jeep. That way I could unholster my firearm, and reholster it in the dash mounted setup. Would that be a safer, better option?
    I think you just came up with a great idea, you should start producing them and selling them. Pistol holsters for your vehicles dash, like scaberds for horses or 4 wheelers this could be the next big thing for people that travel and want their pistol handy. They may be in a state the requires you to have it visiable or they just don't want to have it poking them in the side while traveling.

    You could make a million, run with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    Well I just had an idea, what if I were to fashion a serpa holster to the dash in my jeep. That way I could unholster my firearm, and reholster it in the dash mounted setup. Would that be a safer, better option?
    You could certainly do that. In fact, you could get the quick release system for the serpa and transfer the holstered handgun from the hip to the mount on the dash. My whole problem with trying to get a holster rig in my truck is doing so without screw holes or the like. If I ever want to sell, I don't want that getting in the way.

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    https://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&...raw+Gun+Magnet

    Quick Draw Gun Magnet
    Put this inside your console with some strong two sided tape. You gun will stick and stay on the outside.
    I keep it on my hip, If stopped I just tell the LEO that I am openly carrying a firearm on my hip or just put it on the dash.
    Get you CHP and have options.

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    Congratulations on joining the OC movement. Good choice on the G23 too. A 3rd Gen Glock 23 is one of my regular carry pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    I think you just came up with a great idea, you should start producing them and selling them. Pistol holsters for your vehicles dash, like scaberds for horses or 4 wheelers this could be the next big thing for people that travel and want their pistol handy. They may be in a state the requires you to have it visiable or they just don't want to have it poking them in the side while traveling.

    You could make a million, run with it.
    Blackhawk already beat you to it if you got a Serpa holster - http://www.amazon.com/BLACKHAWK-SERP...1395356&sr=8-6

    You can put one of the female adapters on your dashboard. Check this video on vehicle carry that shows one in action - http://video.personaldefensenetwork....riginal-Videos
    What part of "shall not be infringed" do *they* not understand?

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    Damn, I was a millionaire for almost a day..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by importinvasion View Post
    Damn, I was a millionaire for almost a day..........
    Well, you may not get rich and famous over it...but it is still a dang fine idea!
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    Can anybody show or knows about a time where a citizen was charged with ccw while OCing on their hip in a car? I've never heard of it happening, Its never happened to me and I've spoken with aprox. 20-25 LEOs through my car window within the past 5 yrs. pretty much I just say "officer I'm OCing a firearm on my hip." Never has a cop even mentioned the possibility that I may be concealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    Can anybody show or knows about a time where a citizen was charged with ccw while OCing on their hip in a car? I've never heard of it happening, Its never happened to me and I've spoken with aprox. 20-25 LEOs through my car window within the past 5 yrs. pretty much I just say "officer I'm OCing a firearm on my hip." Never has a cop even mentioned the possibility that I may be concealing.
    I cannot cite any. I may be too conservative on this point and there may be no danger of being considered concealing when you have your handgun holstered on your hip while in your vehicle. The way the laws are written, though, leave me to view it as I do. I would love to have more clarity on this point - perhaps a firm definition of concealing while in a vehicle would be good, but nothing like that exists as far as I know.

    If you were out of your vehicle and approached by a LEO - would you feel compelled to announce to them that you are open carrying a firearm on your hip? I would suspect that you would not as the pistol would be visible and notification would not be necessary, nor would it be required. So, since you are OCing while in your vehicle, why do you feel compelled to inform the officer that you are carrying?

    I just see this as a very gray area and I see it as being based on the perception of the LEO, which leaves it way too loose and open to wide interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I've spoken with aprox. 20-25 LEOs through my car window within the past 5 yrs.
    Wow, sounds like you need to slow down.....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post

    If you were out of your vehicle and approached by a LEO - would you feel compelled to announce to them that you are open carrying a firearm on your hip? I would suspect that you would not as the pistol would be visible and notification would not be necessary, nor would it be required. So, since you are OCing while in your vehicle, why do you feel compelled to inform the officer that you are carrying.
    If you were sitting in a booth at McDonalds (or other high quality food eatery) with your strong side in, the pistol would be as non-visible as it would be in your car. If there is no definition in the code of "concealed" (like VA for example), why are you not in danger of arrest anytime your openly carried gun is not in view because of some other object like your console, a booth, a wall you are leaning against, etc?

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    Im pretty sure oc'ing on the hip in the vehicle would not cause a problem for most leo's, however I think drawing from that position if it were ever needed might pose an issue. I think having a separate holster or movable holster may be the best answer. I relocated from NY,"land of the noone can have a gun but the cops". I was also in law enforcement, and I know from personal experience, one of the most uneasy feelings is encountering a person with a gun. It essentially takes away your oompph sort of speak. But that is a completely different town, and way of life.... any cop who has been trained out here should be fairly educated, and trained when dealing with someone who is exercising his 2nd amendment right, considering NC has very loose gun laws in comparison to some other states. If and when I am stopped by an leo, I would definately politely inform them of oc, if nothing more just to bring down their anxiety level. Now the illegal searches and seizure of my firearm, thats a different story all together. FYI, and I can only tell you that going by NY standards, the officers know next to nothing straight out of the academy. Not to mention everybody is eager to make an arrest, and pop their cherry. Just my opinion, and observation....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Canuck View Post
    If you were sitting in a booth at McDonalds (or other high quality food eatery) with your strong side in, the pistol would be as non-visible as it would be in your car. If there is no definition in the code of "concealed" (like VA for example), why are you not in danger of arrest anytime your openly carried gun is not in view because of some other object like your console, a booth, a wall you are leaning against, etc?
    I can see your point - to a point. I would just say that vehicles are different in that there are laws about concealing a firearm within a vehicle and if you get the wrong cop, you could be SOL. If there was code that defined concealment in a vehicle, I would simply avoid those particular actions that make the gun concealed and I would be fine. As it is, I see it as up to the LEO which is too subjective for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    I can see your point - to a point. I would just say that vehicles are different in that there are laws about concealing a firearm within a vehicle and if you get the wrong cop, you could be SOL. If there was code that defined concealment in a vehicle, I would simply avoid those particular actions that make the gun concealed and I would be fine. As it is, I see it as up to the LEO which is too subjective for me.
    I see what your saying. I guess my thought was that there are codes against concealing anywhere (without a permit) so I just don't see a car as a special location. I'm covered either way when I drive through so I'm not too worried about it.

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    Well now I'm hooked..... I've oc'd to the gun ranges, and around my complex, but I got up early this morning and realized i needed toilet paper. Off to the supermarket, first time being around non gun oriented people, especially at a very early hour. I tried my best to not think about the weight on my side, and acted casual. Much to my surprise, even though she was definately aware of it, she paid no mind and even offered my a lowes card. The woman in front of me did have a child with her, who did take notice, but nobody seemed to care. Overall, a good experience. Definately a different lifestyle than what I'm used to, but starting to get the feel of it.

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