MilProGuy
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8) A statement like that coming from Texas blows my mind.
Well, not surprising to me, since it came out of the mouth of Sheila Jackson Lee. (she is liberal to the core)
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8) A statement like that coming from Texas blows my mind.
Well, not surprising to me, since it came out of the mouth of Sheila Jackson Lee. (she is liberal to the core)
What the hell is with the Vermont & Arizona reps who voted against it??
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-842
Tracking the vote....
Clearly you have not read the bill. Read the damn bill... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112h4Puuj::
The bill only statutorily confirms that your concealed license is good in any other state and that you can not be denied this right. (Do you think you can be denied your right to attend church in a state you do not reside in?)
You MUST carry following the laws of the state you are visiting.
For all of you purists, you are wrong.
A beacon of reason as always Gogo.
C'mon guys, really? Wasn't there just a SCOTUS case that affirmed that the 2A actually does apply to the states after all, and therefore it's legitimate for the fed to enforce the US Constitution upon the states? Hmmm. This is merely one VERY small step in the battle. Stop forsaking the good while hoping for the perfect. We are NOT going to wake up one day to discover Ron Paul has magically repealed all the unconstitutional gun laws from every state.
Last I checked, drivers licences are honored in all states even though they have varying standards to acquire one... and the Feds are generally NOT involved there, either.
Last I checked, drivers licences are honored in all states even though they have varying standards to acquire one... and the Feds are generally NOT involved there, either.
It appears I was in error about HR 822 passing the HOUSE Tuesday.
That now appears to have been a procedural vote.
I am trying to get clarification.
My most humble and sincere apologies for the error. I deeply regret it
"Not a single Republican voted against the measure."
God bless them, one and all!
Some really nasty amendments have been offered and will be discussed and voted on before the bill. As far as I'm concerened every single one of them is a bill killer.
The 10 amendments that will be considered during debate on HR 822 all come from those opposed to it. Given the number of Representatives who voted for H.Res. 463 and who co-sponsored the bill, they have virtually no chance of passing. A summary is below. Notice the last name on the list... our own RINO from the 8th District!
SUMMARY OF AMENDMENTS MADE IN ORDER
1. Woodall (GA): Would protect the rights of states that already have reciprocal agreements in place for the concealed carry of firearms to continue enforcing those preexisting agreements. (10 minutes)
2. McCarthy, Carolyn (NY): Would specify that the legislation can only go into effect in states that have passed legislation enacting the bill. (10 minutes)
3. Hastings, Alcee (FL): Would exempt states from issuing a carry permit on the basis of state reciprocity which do not require individuals to apply for and complete a carry permit application at their local law enforcement station. (10 minutes)
4. Jackson Lee (TX): Would require a state to create a comprehensive database that would contain all permits and licenses issued by the State for carrying a concealed weapon and would make this comprehensive database available to law enforcement officers from all states 24 hours a day. (10 minutes)
5. Conyers (MI): Would preserve state laws with respect to eligibility for concealed-carry. (10 minutes)
6. Johnson, Hank (GA): Would require the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a state to be subject to that state's law regarding concealed carry in regards to firearm safety training that includes live-fire exercise. (10 minutes)
7. Cohen (TN): Would exempt from the bill any State law requiring a person to be at least 21 years of age to possess or carry a concealed handgun. (10 minutes)
8. Jackson Lee (TX): Would require a person provide at least 24 hours notice to a law enforcement officer of the State of the intention to possess or carry a concealed handgun in the State (10 minutes)
9. Cicilline (RI): Would limit the bill from taking effect in a state until the State Attorney General, head of the State police, and the Secretary of State have jointly certified that the other state's carry laws are substantially similar to its own licensing or permitting requirements. (10 minutes)
10. Reichert (WA): Would require a GAO study on the ability of state and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearms permits. (10 minutes)
What the hell is with the Vermont & Arizona reps who voted against it??
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-842
Tracking the vote....
Those 2 states don't have a permit so it would not benefit the residents of those states. I don't know what kind of reciprocity agreements they have (if any at all). HB2900 would be better for those states.
All amendments except Reicherts failed. Reicherts amendment passed.
The final vote is in process right now
well that's not TOO bad, right?
So does that mean my oregon concealed would work in like kansas or other states that dont honor oregon?