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    sure about that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    With the announcements that TSA is now doing checkpoints on public highways in TN...
    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    ...another thread where someone happened upon a TSA checkpoint...
    From http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-bus...etting-up.html "Depending on what inaccurate blog post you may have read, you would think that TSA has checkpoints set up all across Tennessee’s highways. That’s just simply not the case."

    "TSA officers did not physically screen drivers during this exercise as erroneously reported. The actual vehicle inspections were conducted by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol just the same as they are done every day."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    From http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-bus...etting-up.html "Depending on what inaccurate blog post you may have read, you would think that TSA has checkpoints set up all across Tennessee’s highways. That’s just simply not the case."

    "TSA officers did not physically screen drivers during this exercise as erroneously reported. The actual vehicle inspections were conducted by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol just the same as they are done every day."

    So the TSA is essentially saying that the TN SHP has ALWAYS been a fascist organization, running a de-facto police state, and that they have ALWAYS been doing random "security checkpoints" in TN, but the TSA just recently decided to hang out at their little parties because it looked like fun?...

    Yeah, I believe that. TN SHP has ALWAYS done these checkpoints--"every day"--and they have NOTHING to do with influence, threats, or strong-arm tactics from the TSA to use their state as a "beta test"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    TN SHP has ALWAYS done these checkpoints--"every day"--and they have NOTHING to do with influence, threats, or strong-arm tactics from the TSA to use their state as a "beta test"...
    Now you've got it. Except that you're being facetious, so you're not really getting it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post

    Not everything in life is a walking conspiracy, Dreamer. In fact, most things in life are not.
    Now THIS would make a great bumper sticker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewZealandAmerican View Post
    Yes it is true, A sheriff honoring his oath can and would be able to detain, arrest or even use deadly force against any federal agent who comes into his county and violates the rights of the people in his county, up to and including the president of the USA. A sheriff can kick any fed out of his county and make them require his permission to enter his county.


    The County Sheriff really does have more power and authority than even the president of the united States. We really get tell the Feds to kiss off and get out of our counties and states! Lets inform all of our 3000 Sheriffs across America who are not aware of their proper authority, duty and obligations to protect the un-alieanable rights of the people in their county.Wyoming Sheriffs Told Federal BATF & IRS Agents To Abide By The Constitution Or Face Immediate Arres
    politicalvelcraft.orgWyoming Sheriffs Put Feds In Their Place. Immediately Below Is The Internet Embellishment Followed By How It Really Went Down! Here’s one the mainstream media isn’t going to tell you:...
    Thanks for the clarification. I thought this was the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Now you've got it. Except that you're being facetious, so you're not really getting it...

    Not everything in life is a walking conspiracy, Dreamer. In fact, most things in life are not.

    Knowing that your denial will only be broken when you and people like you are finally marched onto the trains is cold comfort.

    But it shall come to that. And I hope you remember that some of us warned y'all about decades before it happened. I also hope you realize that we've been right all along while you still have the opportunity to avoid the camps or the ditches...


    Go read some Robert Paxton...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Paxton
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    Conspiracy

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    Now THIS would make a great bumper sticker!
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    This reminds me of this time when me and a couple friends were talking outside the door of a nightclub when three women walked up and handed us their drivers license.

    Um, okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herr heckler koch View Post
    there are almost one million armed federal agents within the borders of the us - scrooing posse comitatus. Even such as the fda and epa have jbts.
    fail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky1 View Post
    This reminds me of this time when me and a couple friends were talking outside the door of a nightclub when three women walked up and handed us their drivers license.

    Um, okay.

    People don't know who is real authority, nor do they care

    So you got their #'s right???
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    True face of the us politics

    rogues steal the government office. To expand their power they created false flag terror attack. (such like okc bombing, 911 attack) they got what they want with the passing through of patriot act.

    Rogues like to bully people with their power. They peep, eavesdrop, track people. They search, arrest and murder people.

    To achieve this they developed the false flag terror attack to intimidate the public. Take the advantage of public's panic to squeeze more money and power from them.

    Those villains have no other abilities but to persecute people. The ruling class want to create a humble and obeydient majority. They take away you civil rights by "check your i.d." in arizona, and insult and humiliate you by "see through screen" and "pat down" in airport. See, i supervise you. I can see through you and grope you. If you dare to resist, there's fine and jail waiting for you. Those incompetent people won't add any treasure to the society but enjoy "security jobs" supported by your taxed money.

    Step by step, they make it a totalitarian country.

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    "Are TSA officers "Law Enforcement"? "

    Well sure they are...

    So were the Stazi.

    This extra constitutional government we live under will push too far one day soon. The difference is that the Stazi faced a people devoid of firearms and recent military experience. Not so here.
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    According to the TSA website, they conducted a two day training excercise in which they accompanied TN SHP officers, but it was TN SHP officers that were doing the stops, so if they ever conduct another such excercise you would have a duty to inform because you would be dealing with a TN SHP officer and not the TSA agents who were just basically doing a ride-along.

    http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-bus...etting-up.html

    Regardless, it's better to inform when you don't have the duty to, than to fail to inform when you do have the duty to... or put another way, better safe than sorry.
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    “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

    Does anyone care to answer who authored the above quote?

    The TSA has got to go, And yes it is the County Sheriff's job to supervise federal enforcement and protect that county's citizens from having their rights violated by Fed's. To the best of my knowledge, that is still the case, yet it is ignored by many.

    When are we going to say "Enough is Enough" and put an end to this crap being perpetrated by our runaway tyrannical government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    Does anyone care to answer who authored the above quote?

    The TSA has got to go, And yes it is the County Sheriff's job to supervise federal enforcement and protect that county's citizens from having their rights violated by Fed's. To the best of my knowledge, that is still the case, yet it is ignored by many.

    When are we going to say "Enough is Enough" and put an end to this crap being perpetrated by our runaway tyrannical government?
    It will put an end to itself. If you go back and look over past administrations, supreme court rulings, etc, you will see that the wrongdoing always gets straightened out. My criminal justice professor said it best, he likened the system to a pendulum. When one side gets to far out of hand, the system works to bring it back. The constitution has been attacked numerous times since we have become a country, and every time it has regained control. Our constitution is a very strong document, and it will survive this administration and the socialist elites just like it always has! Even if it gets to the point where we have to take back our country with force, our constitution was brought to be for that very reason, and it will continue to serve this country for years to come.

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    I was very interested as I started to finally read this thread. But after Googling a few other articles it seems as if it was only commercial truck drivers that were subject to these stops, right? And even though TSA was assisting on these particular days, State DOTs routinely do these inspections on commercial trucks, right? No one in a private vehicle was ever stopped in this ordeal, right?

    I'm not saying TSA is correct, nor am I for random stops on commercial trucks, but I want to make sure I understand this was not RANDOM to private citizens, just commercial trucking, right? I'm pretty sure commercial truckers know going into the job that they are susceptible to random DOT inspections, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    supreme court rulings
    Somehow after their decisions that the government's interest in making money trumps your private property ownership rights with regard to eminent domain abuse and after ruling that corporations are people and that money is speech and that any restrictions on bribing government officials should be lifted, I have little faith in the Supreme Court anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by normuser View Post
    NO, There is no duty to inform.

    NO. This is not a lawful search, Your only duty is to defy.
    And if they setup and start attacking people like this in-mass then its an act of war, any able bodied man witnessing such an attack has a duty to fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I was very interested as I started to finally read this thread. But after Googling a few other articles it seems as if it was only commercial truck drivers that were subject to these stops, right? And even though TSA was assisting on these particular days, State DOTs routinely do these inspections on commercial trucks, right? No one in a private vehicle was ever stopped in this ordeal, right?

    I'm not saying TSA is correct, nor am I for random stops on commercial trucks, but I want to make sure I understand this was not RANDOM to private citizens, just commercial trucking, right? I'm pretty sure commercial truckers know going into the job that they are susceptible to random DOT inspections, right?
    random stops on COMMERCIAL trucks don't necesarily bother me. it's similar to the fact that law enforcement can conduct random inspections (taps, liquor license, server's license etc.) of a liquor establishment and to obstruct same is a crime

    commercial vehicles are very highly regulated for good reason. they can cause immensely more damage than (most) private vehicles, and they are engaged in commerce, which has substantially less privacy protections (on a public road) than transport by private persons does and should.

    granted, in many respects, a truckers cab is his home away from home, but these are safety inspections, and my understanding is they are not searching his sleeping area, they are checking brakes, tire tread, stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    From http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-bus...etting-up.html "Depending on what inaccurate blog post you may have read, you would think that TSA has checkpoints set up all across Tennessee’s highways. That’s just simply not the case."

    "TSA officers did not physically screen drivers during this exercise as erroneously reported. The actual vehicle inspections were conducted by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol just the same as they are done every day."


    LOL! seriously? do you not remember the TSA publicly stating that the images could not be saved from the X-ray machines..then OOPS a TSA screener got busted cause he had them on his memory card, Or the TSA saying WE DO NOT DO STRIP SEARCHES", but then coming back and saying "oh well, yeah we do that but WE dont CALL it a strip search,AFTER they got caught, or even better the TSA pointing to a report from John Hopkins and telling its employees that the report proves the X-ray scanner doesnt cause cancer...Nevermind the fact that THE HEAD of John Hopkins has publically said NO, thats not what the report says, we KNOW they cause cancer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I was very interested as I started to finally read this thread. But after Googling a few other articles it seems as if it was only commercial truck drivers that were subject to these stops, right? And even though TSA was assisting on these particular days, State DOTs routinely do these inspections on commercial trucks, right? No one in a private vehicle was ever stopped in this ordeal, right?

    I'm not saying TSA is correct, nor am I for random stops on commercial trucks, but I want to make sure I understand this was not RANDOM to private citizens, just commercial trucking, right? I'm pretty sure commercial truckers know going into the job that they are susceptible to random DOT inspections, right?
    ok so we are cool with Commercial truck drivers..Are we cool with Dept of Homeland security patting down teenagers to go into their prom? Or at the Super Bowl? Or High school sports events (theyve stated thats coming) see it STARTS with commercial vehicles, (well technically it started at the Airports) because that seems reasonable then it increases., its called conditioning

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    No one said it was okay for commercial trucking. But it MAY be Constitutional. Interstate commercial trucking and shipping actually is something the Federal government is supposed to regulate.

    HOWEVER, I am not saying I agree with any of their policies. But this thread started and ran about things that actually weren't happening to private citizens. I only pointed that out.
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    and I pointed out that the people that say that have a long history of lying to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    No one said it was okay for commercial trucking. But it MAY be Constitutional. Interstate commercial trucking and shipping actually is something the Federal government is supposed to regulate.

    HOWEVER, I am not saying I agree with any of their policies. But this thread started and ran about things that actually weren't happening to private citizens. I only pointed that out.
    Well since we have twisted the original meaning of regulate from "to make regular" to impose restriction upon, you would have a point except that the constitution is a legal restriction on what the government can do, and the 4th amendment applies to is a restriction on the federal government that would apply to commercial truck drivers too in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Well since we have twisted the original meaning of regulate from "to make regular" to impose restriction upon, you would have a point except that the constitution is a legal restriction on what the government can do, and the 4th amendment applies to is a restriction on the federal government that would apply to commercial truck drivers too in my opinion.
    Excellent point!
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