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    Visiting Missoula

    Well the north cascades pass is officially closed just in time for my road trip, so now the wife wants to go to Montana.

    Soooo.... Anything I should be aware of carry-wise? I understand it's a gold star oc state with preemption 'crept for public buildings, parks, schools, etc, none of which we'll be around. Hows the local attitude?

    Anyone know a must-eat steakhouse in that area? I hear y'all know a thing or two about beef there...


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    Montana Club is not too bad. There is also a place (don't remember the name) right next to it that has pretty good BBQ.

    If you have your WA CPL its honored in ID and MT so no major concern. Parks are left out of preemption unlike WA so you will need to look up the local code (seems a lot of them restrict it). MT is not a stop-identify state.

    A note: You are required to open carry in any building which dispenses, services and allows consumption of alcohol. To be safe, I normally open carry at any restaurant that serves any alcohol such Montana Club.

    I have never had an issue with OC in MT (used to live there).
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    Guy's Lolo Creek Steakhouse is very good.

    I'm a Montana Club fan, but there are better steaks out there. I usually have pasta or seafood at Montana Club.

    Jakers also has an awesome menu. Somewhat pricey per plate, but huge portions.


    Missoula is a very liberal town. Getting called on a MWAG isn't out of the realm of possibility.

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    The North Cascades Highway is only temporarily closed. They are going to re-elavuate Monday to see if they will try reopen it for Thanksgiving weekend.

    You can still take hwy 20 over Spokane if it reopens Monday (or Tuesday if the snow is really bad this weekend)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT4Runner View Post
    Guy's Lolo Creek Steakhouse is very good.

    I'm a Montana Club fan, but there are better steaks out there. I usually have pasta or seafood at Montana Club.

    Jakers also has an awesome menu. Somewhat pricey per plate, but huge portions.


    Missoula is a very liberal town. Getting called on a MWAG isn't out of the realm of possibility.
    Man that's disappointing, I thot y'all didn't let that sort of riff raff past the state line.
    Anyone have a cite for the oc-only-with-booze law?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    The North Cascades Highway is only temporarily closed. They are going to re-elavuate Monday to see if they will try reopen it for Thanksgiving weekend.

    You can still take hwy 20 over Spokane if it reopens Monday (or Tuesday if the snow is really bad this weekend)
    Which doesn't help me when I'm leaving Friday


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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Man that's disappointing, I thot y'all didn't let that sort of riff raff past the state line.
    Anyone have a cite for the oc-only-with-booze law?
    MCA 45-8-325 (1) (c) details that its illegal to conceal a weapon in a room in which beverages are sold, dispensed and consumed. Such as a bar and maybe a resturant. (Note: you can open carry in a bar or resturant without restriction)

    Quote Originally Posted by MCA 45-8-328
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-328.htm

    45-8-328. Carrying concealed weapon in prohibited place -- penalty. (1) Except for legislative security officers authorized to carry a concealed weapon in the state capitol as provided in 45-8-317(1)(k), a person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited place if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon in:
    (a) portions of a building used for state or local government offices and related areas in the building that have been restricted;
    (b) a bank, credit union, savings and loan institution, or similar institution during the institution's normal business hours. It is not an offense under this section to carry a concealed weapon while:
    (i) using an institution's drive-up window, automatic teller machine, or unstaffed night depository; or
    (ii) at or near a branch office of an institution in a mall, grocery store, or other place unless the person is inside the enclosure used for the institution's financial services or is using the institution's financial services.
    (c) a room in which alcoholic beverages are sold, dispensed, and consumed under a license issued under Title 16 for the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
    (2) It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.
    Also, it illegal in MT to carry while under the influence. (I am not sure how 'under the influence' is defined)

    Quote Originally Posted by MCA 45-8-327
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    45-8-327. Carrying concealed weapon while under influence. A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon while under the influence of an intoxicating substance. It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or be fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

    Also for clarity, the definition of 'concealed'. Concealed is only 'wholly or partially covered by clothing or wearing apparel' meaning concealing within a car's glovebox, under seat, etc is not considered concealed as its not clothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by MCA 45-8-315
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    45-8-315. Definition. "Concealed weapon" means any weapon mentioned in 45-8-316 through 45-8-318 and 45-8-321 through 45-8-328 that is wholly or partially covered by the clothing or wearing apparel of the person carrying or bearing the weapon, except that for purposes of 45-8-321 through 45-8-328, concealed weapon means a handgun or a knife with a blade 4 or more inches in length that is wholly or partially covered by the clothing or wearing apparel of the person carrying or bearing the weapon.

    In summary, when your unsure its best to open carry as open carry is hardly regulated in MT. Most MT regulations are around conceal carry, which is why MT is a gold star open carry state .

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    I guess I will be the first from Zoo Town to check in . In 4+ years of OC I have never been the victim of a MWAG call, in fact every LEO I have ever dealt with was more interested in what my choice of weapon was instead of the fact I had it. Most business' are 2A friendly and off the top of my head I can't think of any place who has asked me to leave my weapon outside. As for steak, I highly recommend "Guy's Lolo Creek Steakhouse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    MCA 45-8-325 (1) (c) details that its illegal to conceal a weapon in a room in which beverages are sold, dispensed and consumed. Such as a bar and maybe a resturant. (Note: you can open carry in a bar or resturant without restriction)



    Also, it illegal in MT to carry while under the influence. (I am not sure how 'under the influence' is defined)




    Also for clarity, the definition of 'concealed'. Concealed is only 'wholly or partially covered by clothing or wearing apparel' meaning concealing within a car's glovebox, under seat, etc is not considered concealed as its not clothing.




    In summary, when your unsure its best to open carry as open carry is hardly regulated in MT. Most MT regulations are around conceal carry, which is why MT is a gold star open carry state .

    I am not a lawyer. All facts provided should be independently verified.
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    Love how CC is (initially) prohibited in the state constitution as well. Is a lady's purse considered "concealing?" Fall under "wearing apparel?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninelivez View Post
    I guess I will be the first from Zoo Town to check in . In 4+ years of OC I have never been the victim of a MWAG call, in fact every LEO I have ever dealt with was more interested in what my choice of weapon was instead of the fact I had it. Most business' are 2A friendly and off the top of my head I can't think of any place who has asked me to leave my weapon outside. As for steak, I highly recommend "Guy's Lolo Creek Steakhouse".
    Any experience with the "C'mon Inn" out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Any experience with the "C'mon Inn" out there?
    Not pet friendly at all, not sure of their gun policy. Based on Missoula in general, I would guess you would be ok.
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    I lived in Missoula for about 20yrs total, at various times. In eras gone by the "attitude" regarding firearms was what one would expect in Montana.
    As one post has already mentioned, Missoula is now very liberal.
    If you OC there you're likely to be inspecting the muzzle ends of LEOs weapons. If you're lucky you won't be shot or tazed while they're figuring out if you are a BG.
    My advice is not to OC anywhere near Missoula.
    As I said, it was different many years ago. Those days no longer exist in and around Missoula.
    Smaller towns and areas are a different story.
    Sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldranger53 View Post
    I lived in Missoula for about 20yrs total, at various times. In eras gone by the "attitude" regarding firearms was what one would expect in Montana.
    As one post has already mentioned, Missoula is now very liberal.
    If you OC there you're likely to be inspecting the muzzle ends of LEOs weapons. If you're lucky you won't be shot or tazed while they're figuring out if you are a BG.
    My advice is not to OC anywhere near Missoula.
    As I said, it was different many years ago. Those days no longer exist in and around Missoula.
    Smaller towns and areas are a different story.
    Sad but true.

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    Dude that thread died out like four months ago. And just for the record, OC'd all around Missoula and didn't even get so much as a funny look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldranger53 View Post
    I lived in Missoula for about 20yrs total, at various times. In eras gone by the "attitude" regarding firearms was what one would expect in Montana.
    As one post has already mentioned, Missoula is now very liberal.
    If you OC there you're likely to be inspecting the muzzle ends of LEOs weapons. If you're lucky you won't be shot or tazed while they're figuring out if you are a BG.
    My advice is not to OC anywhere near Missoula.
    As I said, it was different many years ago. Those days no longer exist in and around Missoula.
    Smaller towns and areas are a different story.
    Sad but true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Dude that thread died out like four months ago. And just for the record, OC'd all around Missoula and didn't even get so much as a funny look.
    oldranger53, Welcome to the forum.

    I open carry in Missoula every time I go to MT, which is about 6 times a year. Never once have I had an issue, even in the malls or other highly populated areas.
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    Well ok. It could be that I am just paranoid. I suspect that individual experiences vary in every location.
    I was merely expressing my opinions, nothing more. I moved away from Missoula in 2004 and have never returned. I truly hope I never have to live there again due to employment concerns.
    For the record, I did like Missoula a great deal for a long time. Maybe I just got burned out. ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldranger53 View Post
    I lived in Missoula for about 20yrs total, at various times. In eras gone by the "attitude" regarding firearms was what one would expect in Montana.
    As one post has already mentioned, Missoula is now very liberal.
    If you OC there you're likely to be inspecting the muzzle ends of LEOs weapons. If you're lucky you won't be shot or tazed while they're figuring out if you are a BG.
    My advice is not to OC anywhere near Missoula.
    As I said, it was different many years ago. Those days no longer exist in and around Missoula.
    Smaller towns and areas are a different story.
    Sad but true.

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    Oh FFS, I OC daily as well as several of my friends, the only contact with L.E. is a simple "What brand, how do you like it, have a nice day. THE ONLY time I have had a problem OCing was with my extremely left wing, liberal ******, the second needs to be abolished pole smoking boss who forbid me from being anywhere near the office with a gun (working or days off) I suggest you check your facts and maybe post less B.S. I carry at my bank, the restaurants I eat at, the stores I shop at, the casinos I waste money at, and every place else I go, Missoula is OC and 2A friendly in general.

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    Visiting from Salt lake city till Sunday mostly up in Ronan OC I understand you can't openly carry in schools bars and federal buildings.

    Anything I need to know about open carrying I have a valid cwp from Utah valid in MT.

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    Had a great time no problems thank you Ronan MT police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah_Patriot View Post
    Had a great time no problems thank you Ronan MT police

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    Hopefully you didn't OC in the parks. Ronan has an ordinance that makes it illegal to do such (If I remember correctly). I know Polson does.

    Quote Originally Posted by PMC 14.02 #588
    Polson City parks are open from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. or dusk, whichever is earlier. All dogs must be on a leash. Open fires, amplified music charging for entry into parks or selling is not allowed without special permission from the city. Also prohibited are digging, firearms, fireworks, overnight camping, glass beverage containers, and motorized vehicles except in designated areas. There can be no devices producing sound at such volume to disturb public peace or create a public nuisance. (PMC 14.02, Ordinance No. 588)
    Glad you had a good time and no problems. I am from Polson and the wife is from Ronan. We travel there several times a year, its an awesome area. I believe we will be moving back that way in the next few years. Till then the trips every couple months will have to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    Hopefully you didn't OC in the parks. Ronan has an ordinance that makes it illegal to do such (If I remember correctly). I know Polson does.
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    Doesn't mt have full preemption over parks?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Doesn't mt have full preemption over parks?
    Unfortunately No. This is the only major gripe I have about MT gun laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by MCA 45-8-351
    45-8-351. Restriction on local government regulation of firearms. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a county, city, town, consolidated local government, or other local government unit may not prohibit, register, tax, license, or regulate the purchase, sale or other transfer (including delay in purchase, sale, or other transfer), ownership, possession, transportation, use, or unconcealed carrying of any weapon, including a rifle, shotgun, handgun, or concealed handgun.
    (2) (a) For public safety purposes, a city or town may regulate the discharge of rifles, shotguns, and handguns. A county, city, town, consolidated local government, or other local government unit has power to prevent and suppress the carrying of concealed or unconcealed weapons to a public assembly, publicly owned building, park under its jurisdiction, or school, and the possession of firearms by convicted felons, adjudicated mental incompetents, illegal aliens, and minors.
    (b) Nothing contained in this section allows any government to prohibit the legitimate display of firearms at shows or other public occasions by collectors and others or to prohibit the legitimate transportation of firearms through any jurisdiction, whether in airports or otherwise.
    (c) A local ordinance enacted pursuant to this section may not prohibit a legislative security officer who has been issued a concealed weapon permit from carrying a concealed weapon in the state capitol as provided in 45-8-317.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldranger53 View Post
    Missoula is now very liberal. If you OC there you're likely to be inspecting the muzzle ends of LEOs weapons. If you're lucky you won't be shot or tazed while they're figuring out if you are a BG.
    Where do you people get your off-the-wall opinions and lack of facts? Here is the state law in Montana and all LE knows it. No cops are pulling guns on Open Carriers in Missoula or anywhere else in Monatana. Here is the law that PASSED in 2009. It is not OC is legal b/c there is no law against it, it is OC is legal b/c the state now AUTHORIZES it:

    (MONTANA) Legislation - Bill Passed into LAW - HB-228 (House) - Feb. 10, 2009
    (Sec. 2). -Authorizes individuals to display a firearm for harmless defensive purposes without justification, which includes, but is not limited to, the following (Sec. 3):
    -Openly wearing, carrying, or possessing a firearm; -Verbally informing another that one possesses a firearm; and -Holding a firearm in a position so that the firearm does not point directly at another person.

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