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    Elderly woman hit by spray at protest

    Is it just me, or did this "self-described "old lady in combat boots" know what she was getting into. She's to be commended on her energy in attending the occupy Hogwash, but I hope she’s not gaining sympathy for the eyeful she received.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...gh-2272455.php
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    If it ends up her being at the wrong place at the wrong time, I feel sorry for her.

    If she was there to make a "statement"...well, there's better ways a lady in her advanced years could make a statement.
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    Have these words lost all of their meaning to you?
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Or from the WA constitution:

    SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.


    SECTION 4 RIGHT OF PETITION AND ASSEMBLAGE. The right of petition and of the people peaceably to assemble for the common good shall never be abridged.
    "If we were to ever consider citizenship as the least bit matter of merit instead of birthright, imagine who should be selected as deserved representation of our democracy: someone who would risk their daily livelihood to cast an individually statistically insignificant vote, or those who wrap themselves in the flag against slightest slights." - agenthex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    Have these words lost all of their meaning to you?
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Or from the WA constitution:

    SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.


    SECTION 4 RIGHT OF PETITION AND ASSEMBLAGE. The right of petition and of the people peaceably to assemble for the common good shall never be abridged.
    Exactly...we all have these freedoms.

    But...when cops say "clear the intersection" it might be in the interest of one's own health and well-being to simply step to the curb and continue exercising their rights from the sidewalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    Have these words lost all of their meaning to you?
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Or from the WA constitution:

    SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.


    SECTION 4 RIGHT OF PETITION AND ASSEMBLAGE. The right of petition and of the people peaceably to assemble for the common good shall never be abridged.
    I was only taking about Granny knowing what she was getting into.

    I guess if you’re going to highjack the thread; hell yes we have the rights you mention, but hell no do those right allow you to impact other’s. And that's what's going on at most of these occupy's. They are abridging the freedom of others, they are not petitioning peacefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Exactly...we all have these freedoms.

    But...when cops say "clear the intersection" it might be in the interest of one's own health and well-being to simply step to the curb and continue exercising their rights from the sidewalk.
    was that the case with this incident? i didn't see anything about an intersection in this article. its possible i missed it
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    was that the case with this incident? i didn't see anything about an intersection in this article. its possible i missed it
    "Many refused to move from the intersection after being ordered by police"
    Written in the text below the picture of granny

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    she showed up to make a statement

    "Oh boy, I'd better go show solidarity with New York." so, by her own admission, she was there for a purpose... as such, while not condoning the actions of the authorities, was apparently caught up in the situation and who knows this might have been a staged foto event. (no there wouldn't have been that opportunity would there?)

    however, reminds me of the bloke, who several years ago, during a protest, tried to block a train going into or out of a military facility and he laid down on the tracks in front of engine. imagine his suprise when the train couldn 't stop in time and due to his own stuborness didn't move off the tracks and the engine rolled over him and amputated both of his legs above the knees...he complained of mistreatment and everyone (his fellow protesters, judical, etc.) stated he was dumb enough to lay down in front of a moving train he should accept and endure his action(s).

    bottom line, if u 'show up' to demonstrations, accept the fact you might get sucked into something you can't control and then be responsible enough to accept your accountability of your actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    "Oh boy, I'd better go show solidarity with New York." so, by her own admission, she was there for a purpose... as such, while not condoning the actions of the authorities, was apparently caught up in the situation and who knows this might have been a staged foto event. (no there wouldn't have been that opportunity would there?)

    however, reminds me of the bloke, who several years ago, during a protest, tried to block a train going into or out of a military facility and he laid down on the tracks in front of engine. imagine his suprise when the train couldn 't stop in time and due to his own stuborness didn't move off the tracks and the engine rolled over him and amputated both of his legs above the knees...he complained of mistreatment and everyone (his fellow protesters, judical, etc.) stated he was dumb enough to lay down in front of a moving train he should accept and endure his action(s).

    bottom line, if u 'show up' to demonstrations, accept the fact you might get sucked into something you can't control and then be responsible enough to accept your accountability of your actions.

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    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    "Many refused to move from the intersection after being ordered by police"
    Written in the text below the picture of granny
    you're the man. i was reading the article
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    Have these words lost all of their meaning to you?
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Or from the WA constitution:

    SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.


    SECTION 4 RIGHT OF PETITION AND ASSEMBLAGE. The right of petition and of the people peaceably to assemble for the common good shall never be abridged.
    they don't have the right to block intersections, break rules for public spaces, trespass on private property, or use violence.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    "Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at Westlake Park. Protesters gathered in the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street after marching from their camp at Seattle Central Community College in support of Occupy Wall Street. Many refused to move from the intersection after being ordered by police. Police then began spraying pepper spray into the gathered crowd hitting dozens of people. A pregnant woman was taken from the mele in an ambulance after being struck with spray."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post

    bottom line, if u 'show up' to demonstrations, accept the fact you might get sucked into something you can't control and then be responsible enough to accept your accountability of your actions.

    wabbit
    It kind of goes with the territory that one puts themselves in.

    I'm glad the lady didn't suffer anymore injuries than the pepper spray.

    Perhaps her family ought to encourage her to make her voice heard in other venues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Exactly...we all have these freedoms.

    But...when cops say "clear the intersection" it might be in the interest of one's own health and well-being to simply step to the curb and continue exercising their rights from the sidewalk.
    If the reason they are in the intersection is because the cops kicked them out of the park, then the cops have no right to interfere. Just because you disagree with their protest, doesn't mean you should be boot licking those who are violating our constitution.
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    The crackdowns on OWS amount to "contempt of cop" retaliation on a very large scale.

    The fact that not just Americans in general, but pro-rights Americans on this very forum are cheering wholesale abuse disgusts and sickens me.


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    I can count how many people got sprayed with pepper spray by police at T.E.A. party events last year without taking my hands out of my pockets.

    The T.E.A. party is labled racist by the media for no reason. We can all see the damage and litter that the occupy ralies have brought.

    The elderly lady made poor choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SourKraut View Post
    I can count how many people got sprayed with pepper spray by police at T.E.A. party events last year without taking my hands out of my pockets.

    The T.E.A. party is labled racist by the media for no reason. We can all see the damage and litter that the occupy ralies have brought.

    The elderly lady made poor choices.
    What do the "T", "E", and "A" stand for in "T.E.A. party"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SourKraut View Post
    T.axed E.nough A.lready
    This is one of the reasons I support them.
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    Just watched a video. Several cops are being confronted by a half dozen Occupiers. The police get out the economy-sized pepper spray cans and have it. The 2 cops on the end just can't help themselves. They direct their streams of pepper spray over the heads of the group in front of them and hit the line of on-lookers 15 feet back for several seconds. Obviously intentionally done.

    Its not the crony-capitalist corporations in the street spraying random citizens. The state is the enemy, whether our friends in the Occupy groups realize it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    The crackdowns on OWS amount to "contempt of cop" retaliation on a very large scale.

    The fact that not just Americans in general, but pro-rights Americans on this very forum are cheering wholesale abuse disgusts and sickens me.

    Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

    Just read my signature line.
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    hmmm did i miss something?

    forgive my forgetfullness KB, but nowhere during this thread (i even read between the lines) did i see any cheerleading section leading a cheer advocating any type of wholesale abuse by the authorities towards the protesters or vice versa protesters against the authorities.

    I did mention it appears from news reports the woman put herself into the fracus only for the sake of 'solidarity'. Further, yes, there are those on both sides of any fracus that will be mean spirited and cause harm to others 'just because they can' and these actions is never justified just to make a point. those individuals should be brought to the attention of responsible agencies and punished appropriately.

    bottom line, as my daddy used to say...sometimes when someone plays w/fire, they get burned...and while i emptize w/the solidarity elderly worman for getting a face full, i hope you will trust me when i say the tear gas used today is gentle to what was used during the 'discussions' during the late sixties...

    finally, i am truly sorry your sensibilities have been affected by this thread so perhaps you should take some pepto and lay down and rest so you do not get more seriously ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim675 View Post
    Its not the crony-capitalist corporations in the street spraying random citizens. The state is the enemy, whether our friends in the Occupy groups realize it or not.
    And we are just as much targets as the Occupants, whether our friends on OCDO realize it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

    Just read my signature line.
    I dig that sig HandyHamlet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

    Just read my signature line.
    I would have more sympathy if they were not defecating in public, covering up rape and murder in their own camps by their own people, breaking store windows, burning cars and painting Nazi graffiti on synagogues.
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