Elderly woman hit by spray at protest

KBCraig said:

The crackdowns on OWS amount to "contempt of cop" retaliation on a very large scale.

The fact that not just Americans in general, but pro-rights Americans on this very forum are cheering wholesale abuse disgusts and sickens me.

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Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

Just read my signature line.

hmmm did i miss something?

forgive my forgetfullness KB, but nowhere during this thread (i even read between the lines) did i see any cheerleading section leading a cheer advocating any type of wholesale abuse by the authorities towards the protesters or vice versa protesters against the authorities.

I did mention it appears from news reports the woman put herself into the fracus only for the sake of 'solidarity'. Further, yes, there are those on both sides of any fracus that will be mean spirited and cause harm to others 'just because they can' and these actions is never justified just to make a point. those individuals should be brought to the attention of responsible agencies and punished appropriately.

bottom line, as my daddy used to say...sometimes when someone plays w/fire, they get burned...and while i emptize w/the solidarity elderly worman for getting a face full, i hope you will trust me when i say the tear gas used today is gentle to what was used during the 'discussions' during the late sixties...

finally, i am truly sorry your sensibilities have been affected by this thread so perhaps you should take some pepto and lay down and rest so you do not get more seriously ill.

wabbit

Jim675 said:

Its not the crony-capitalist corporations in the street spraying random citizens. The state is the enemy, whether our friends in the Occupy groups realize it or not.

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And we are just as much targets as the Occupants, whether our friends on OCDO realize it or not.

HandyHamlet said:

Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

Just read my signature line.

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I dig that sig HandyHamlet.

Some people would not recognize a right if their life depended on it and life does depend on it. No right can be had at the expense of others. We are all "at arms length".

HandyHamlet said:

Well there is your problem. There aren't many pro-rights members here. Just pro-2A.

Just read my signature line.

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I would have more sympathy if they were not defecating in public, covering up rape and murder in their own camps by their own people, breaking store windows, burning cars and painting Nazi graffiti on synagogues.

Undoubtedly the actions of some of the protesters is appalling. But that doesn't justify the illegal actions of the paramilitary. Nor does it excuse the appalling lack of respect for our civil rights on this forum.

KBCraig said:

The crackdowns on OWS amount to "contempt of cop" retaliation on a very large scale.

The fact that not just Americans in general, but pro-rights Americans on this very forum are cheering wholesale abuse disgusts and sickens me.

:banghead:

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Yes, it also disgusts me to think these protestors and others on the forum view trampling on the rights of others as a right afforded without consequence. I say OC every last one of the idiots that restricts movement of others, invades private property, destroys private and public property, and creates health hazards to the surrounding public that are not even involved.

You say that's not what you meant! Well the reality is that these occupiers think their rights trump all, they feel they can wage harm on person and property, and truly believe it’s all legal. They are disillusioned by a socialist movement the uses them like expendable pawns. OC those idiots, so they understand the constitution does not allow protest and assembly that is not peaceful.

jbone said:

... OC those idiots, ...

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What does that mean?

Daylen said:

What does that mean?

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I'm not sure what OC stands for in OC spray, but I have heard of it as a type of pepper spray.

If they were marching to support the 2nd rather than the 1st, I imagine a lot of folks on this forum would not be supporting the SWAT teams. "Wall street trashed the economy and got a bailout. OWS trashed a park and they need to be bailed out."

MilProGuy said:

It kind of goes with the territory that one puts themselves in.

I'm glad the lady didn't suffer anymore injuries than the pepper spray.

Perhaps her family ought to encourage her to make her voice heard in other venues.

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Nope...she is still getting the brown end of the stick:

[video=youtube;HuTHxMjVivg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTHxMjVivg[/video]

As Paul Harvey used to say: NOW... you know the rest of the story!!!

Daylen said:

What does that mean?

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Spray every last one of the idiots that restricts movement of others, invades private property, destroys private and public property, and creates health hazards to the surrounding public.

beebobby said:

If they were marching to support the 2nd rather than the 1st, I imagine a lot of folks on this forum would not be supporting the SWAT teams. "Wall street trashed the economy and got a bailout. OWS trashed a park and they need to be bailed out."

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There seems to be many people using the strawman argument that just because I might find the Occupiers illegal action deplorable I somehow support bank bailouts. I do not, but nor do I think "wall street trashed the economy". The banks and people underwater on loans should have been allowed to fail. Maybe then people would learn not to listen to the feds(ya know the regulations that encouraged bankers to give out loans that would fail); those idiots don't know anything.

jbone said:

Spray every last one of the idiots that restricts movement of others, invades private property, destroys private and public property, and creates health hazards to the surrounding public.

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Spray them with what?! I'm sorry I just don't have the information that is implicit in your statements.

beebobby said:

If they were marching to support the 2nd rather than the 1st, I imagine a lot of folks on this forum would not be supporting the SWAT teams. "Wall street trashed the economy and got a bailout. OWS trashed a park and they need to be bailed out."

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I would hope any time, whether it's union members, pro-gun, anti-gun, wall street protesters, Aunt Bee's church social, KKK, Black panthers, Tea party, or liberals that they all get ejected when they turn peaceful assembly into violence, and trample the rights of others.


Shouldn't have anything to do with the cause or Amendment, it has to do with actions, those actions/areas that are not protected under the constitution. If granny does not want to get sprayed granny she should not go to a place where she knows others are conducting themselves in a manner whereas not protected under the constitution. Common sense goes a long way. Granny is an activist who knows there’s potential for out of control acts on either side.

Daylen said:

Spray them with what?! I'm sorry I just don't have the information that is implicit in your statements.

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I hate spoon feeding :lol: the article reports Pepper Spray, therefore...

Daylen said:

Spray them with what?! I'm sorry I just don't have the information that is implicit in your statements.

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Oleoresin Capsicum

Daylen said:

Spray them with what?! I'm sorry I just don't have the information that is implicit in your statements.

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Napalm comes to mind, but the risk of the fire spreading is too great.

jbone said:

I would hope any time, whether it's union members, pro-gun, anti-gun, wall street protesters, Aunt Bee's church social, KKK, Black panthers, Tea party, or liberals that they all get ejected when they turn peaceful assembly into violence, and trample the rights of others.


Shouldn't have anything to do with the cause or Amendment, it has to do with actions, those actions/areas that are not protected under the constitution. If granny does not want to get sprayed granny she should not go to a place where she knows others are conducting themselves in a manner whereas not protected under the constitution. Common sense goes a long way. Granny is an activist who knows there’s potential for out of control acts on either side.

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You are justifying the illegal actions of the police by saying that she should not have been there.

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