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    Motorcycles and Non-Handguns

    Quote Originally Posted by Excerpt from Florida ss. 790.25:

    (4) CONSTRUCTION. - This act shall be liberally construed to carry out the declaration of policy
    herein and in favor of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes. This act is
    supplemental and additional to existing rights to bear arms now guaranteed by law and decisions of
    the courts of Florida, and nothing herein shall impair or diminish any of such rights. This act shall
    supersede any law, ordinance, or regulation in conflict herewith.

    (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE. - Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is
    not a violation of ss. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or
    other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance,
    without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily
    accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm
    other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a
    lawful use...

    I wonder how this applies to Motorcycles and non-handguns?

    At first blush, it would seem that long-gun carry (yes, I'm aware of the forum rule, thanks, bye) on a bike is not prohibited. It probably isn't real useful since I wouldn't be able to step off the bike... But plenty of people joyride on their bikes with no destination except to return home...

    Ride for OC anyone? :-p

    My analysis is that my Motorcycle is a private conveyance. "In" and "on" are generally interchangeable regarding laws of this nature. So...

    My point is agitating for Handgun OC by doing something frowned upon... Even a tit for tat...

    Forum Rule Censor Fiends, if you still haven't added it up... This is an idea to pursue Handgun Carry through Long Gun Carry, it's about a potential path to Handgun OC, not a discussion about Long Gun Carry. Such mention is merely an unavoidable and integral part of the matter.
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    Any type of long gun OC will likely scare the statists in Tally and hurt general handgun OC. I still say an empty holster protest in the fertility-occultic capitol building could be effective. Maybe if a few hundred people showed up?
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    In or On a conveyance could also include a horse, no? Soo... personally I think folks look silly riding horseback WITHOUT a revolver, at least...(perhaps too many Lone Ranger episodes as a kid?).

    As to empty holsters- I do it almost daily, everywhere- intentionally. I OC 24/7 round the house and grounds, but when I go someplace (store/office/etc.) I take the OC pistol off when I get where Im going, secure it in the vehicle, but keep the OC holster on, and CC my BUG.

    This ,of course, leads to all the expected wise cracks, like "err.. I think you forgot something" to the hoped-for "you have a holster, but why no pistol for it?"
    And BINGO- I say " Im SO glad you asked. Are you aware of how hard your State representative and Governor have shafted you, again, this year?....."
    And off we go from there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    As to empty holsters- I do it almost daily, everywhere- intentionally. I OC 24/7 round the house and grounds, but when I go someplace (store/office/etc.) I take the OC pistol off when I get where Im going, secure it in the vehicle, but keep the OC holster on, and CC my BUG.
    Very cool. I leave the belt holster on when I have to leave the gun in the car or bike and just have the BUG on me.

    It's not so bad with a paddle type holster as those can be pulled easily, but the belt holsters just stay on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    It's not so bad with a paddle type holster as those can be pulled easily, but the belt holsters just stay on!AD
    Here, here. Paddle Holsters for the win. I almost never take my gun out, just remove the whole thing. Less handling that way.

    I just flick my shirt over it when I leave home. Tuck my shirt between it and my body when I'm at home. Keeps the skin off the steel, prevents the rust.... I think this may be my main reason for wanting OC, I hate rusting my guns.
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    But, back on topic... Anyone with more legal experience care to comment? Or rather withhold what you know because this topic doesn't suit your agenda?
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    Now that I think about it, if I had a half-way decent scabbard for my Winchester Model 94 lever action, I do believe it would carry nicely on the bike.

    Now I'll have to start thinking about the aesthetics of a scabbard carried just forward of the saddle bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    Now that I think about it, if I had a half-way decent scabbard for my Winchester Model 94 lever action, I do believe it would carry nicely on the bike.

    Now I'll have to start thinking about the aesthetics of a scabbard carried just forward of the saddle bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    Now that I think about it, if I had a half-way decent scabbard for my Winchester Model 94 lever action, I do believe it would carry nicely on the bike.

    Now I'll have to start thinking about the aesthetics of a scabbard carried just forward of the saddle bag.

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    You all should NEVER carry an empty holster!!! That is just asking for trouble. When I go to places that don't allow me to carry, I usually put a banana in it.... That way in a SHTF situation I would at least have a source of potassium.

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    doesn't this belong in the Florida section?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    doesn't this belong in the Florida section?
    That's where it started.

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    It was moved out of the Florida section because the mods want to stifle the conversation with confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    It was moved out of the Florida section because the mods want to stifle the conversation with confusion.
    No it was moved out of the Florida sub-forum because it did not pertain specifically to OCing handguns AND because of the stated connection to long guns. The OP made that transparently obvious.

    See rule #14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No it was moved out of the Florida sub-forum because it did not pertain specifically to OCing handguns AND because of the stated connection to long guns. The OP made that transparently obvious.

    See rule #14.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
    Reading it proves your statement is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    No it was moved out of the Florida sub-forum because it did not pertain specifically to OCing handguns AND because of the stated connection to long guns. The OP made that transparently obvious.

    See rule #14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Reading it proves your statement is false.
    That ill becomes you.

    Reason(s) for the move were stated and hardly deserve being accused of an intentional falsehood.

    The action was a judgement call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That ill becomes you.

    Reason(s) for the move were stated and hardly deserve being accused of an intentional falsehood.

    The action was a judgement call.
    Still, a bad one that confused people enough to ask why it isn't where it belongs... This is a Florida-specific situation, referencing Florida Law, in regards to Open Carry, and how something not sanctioned directly by the rules might help promote something that is.... In States where we cannot Open Cary properly, stifling all peripheral subject matter, especially discussions intended to lead to, support, or promote Open Carry in the only methods available, is a self-defeating premise. By this logic, we cannot discuss anything in Red States and the entire sub-forum must be deleted...

    Methinks you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today... You're not usually so heavy-handed, and usually think things through better than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Still, a bad one that confused people enough to ask why it isn't where it belongs... This is a Florida-specific situation, referencing Florida Law, in regards to Open Carry, and how something not sanctioned directly by the rules might help promote something that is.... In States where we cannot Open Cary properly, stifling all peripheral subject matter, especially discussions intended to lead to, support, or promote Open Carry in the only methods available, is a self-defeating premise. By this logic, we cannot discuss anything in Red States and the entire sub-forum must be deleted...

    Methinks you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today... You're not usually so heavy-handed, and usually think things through better than this.
    California is the only state/sub-forum so exempted by the site owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Methinks you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today...
    Please give him a break - he's been fighting the good fight for years, same as you and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    You all should NEVER carry an empty holster!!! That is just asking for trouble. When I go to places that don't allow me to carry, I usually put a banana in it.... That way in a SHTF situation I would at least have a source of potassium.
    Thanks for making me spray my half chewed M&M's across the desk. greatly appreciated. LOL

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