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    OC in Hattiesburg

    So guys, I have been OCing in the Hattiesburg area since May. I've been asked questions a few times but, that's about it. I have yet to have a LEO ask for a permit or anything. The only negative encounter I've had so far was in a small store in the Sanford community in Covington county. Guy running the store asked me to leave but, I later talked with the owner and was just asked to conceal next time (her store her rules).


    I did talk to a Covington county deputy the other night while OC. He had come to my friends business for some other matter and never said a word about my G21 on my hip.

    So, this area seems to be OC friendly. Any of you had any problems around here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1289 View Post
    So guys, I have been OCing in the Hattiesburg area since May. I've been asked questions a few times but, that's about it. I have yet to have a LEO ask for a permit or anything. The only negative encounter I've had so far was in a small store in the Sanford community in Covington county. Guy running the store asked me to leave but, I later talked with the owner and was just asked to conceal next time (her store her rules).


    I did talk to a Covington county deputy the other night while OC. He had come to my friends business for some other matter and never said a word about my G21 on my hip.

    So, this area seems to be OC friendly. Any of you had any problems around here?

    -dave
    It's always been fine when I've been there; even in areas around the university.
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    Glad to hear it's been fine for you guys so far. I must say, given some of the various demographics around here, I'm surprised no one has flipped out at seeing a sidearm. I admit, I've been a wuss and haven't OCed outside of my own property/car yet. (Well, I did OC once or twice while pumping gas, but it was at the crack of dawn and the station was pretty empty.) I need to get a voice recorder and just start OCing.

    By the way, the next time you're in Hattiesburg and have some time to kill, drop me a line. I live in town and would enjoy befriending other OCers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    By the way, the next time you're in Hattiesburg and have some time to kill, drop me a line. I live in town and would enjoy befriending other OCers.
    Could this be the start of an attempt at a south Ms. meet up? If it is, I'll be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Could this be the start of an attempt at a south Ms. meet up? If it is, I'll be there.

    I'm all for a meet up as well.

    I just got back from Hattiesburg. Just went to Wall-Mart, the Taco Bell by USM, and a gas station. Was OC the whole time and no problems or questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Glad to hear it's been fine for you guys so far. I must say, given some of the various demographics around here, I'm surprised no one has flipped out at seeing a sidearm. I admit, I've been a wuss and haven't OCed outside of my own property/car yet. (Well, I did OC once or twice while pumping gas, but it was at the crack of dawn and the station was pretty empty.) I need to get a voice recorder and just start OCing.

    By the way, the next time you're in Hattiesburg and have some time to kill, drop me a line. I live in town and would enjoy befriending other OCers.
    I'll be passing through in early Dec. Most likely the 3rd or 4th. I'll know more in a week. Be sure not to wash the recorder with your cloths, they don't usually make it...
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    Well, I guess I jinxed myself with this thread, had a negative encounter at the new Academy Sports in Hattiesburg. I had been looking around in the firearms department for about 10 min and was about to leave when an employee called me over. It went like this.

    employee:"Sir, are you law enforcement?"
    Me: "Nope."
    employee: "Well you can't carry like that."
    Me: "You can in Mississippi."
    employee:"Well, I'm HPD(Hattiesburg Police Department) and the firearm has to be covered up. Do you have a permit?"
    Me: "Yes, I do have a Firearms Permit."
    employee: "Well, it's a ccw, the weapon has to be concealed."
    Me: "Mine just says Firearms permit, doesn't say that it has to be concealed."
    employee: "You can play it that way if you want."

    At that point I just shrugged my shoulders and walked away. I looked around in another department for a few min then left. At no point did he actually show any ID and I didn't show him my permit. The other employees didn't get involved, they just stood and watched. I may have missed bits of it but that's the highlights.

    I casually looked for a sign when I walk in. If there was one it wasn't a legal one.

    I went to Gander Mountain after that. Talked to the guys in the Firearms department there and told them about what happend at Academy. One of the guys there used to be a Forrest County deputy. He just said that the HPD officer was full of s**t. lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1289 View Post
    Well, I guess I jinxed myself with this thread, had a negative encounter at the new Academy Sports in Hattiesburg. I had been looking around in the firearms department for about 10 min and was about to leave when an employee called me over. It went like this.

    employee:"Sir, are you law enforcement?"
    Me: "Nope."
    employee: "Well you can't carry like that."
    Me: "You can in Mississippi."
    employee:"Well, I'm HPD(Hattiesburg Police Department) and the firearm has to be covered up. Do you have a permit?"
    Me: "Yes, I do have a Firearms Permit."
    employee: "Well, it's a ccw, the weapon has to be concealed."
    Me: "Mine just says Firearms permit, doesn't say that it has to be concealed."
    employee: "You can play it that way if you want."

    At that point I just shrugged my shoulders and walked away. I looked around in another department for a few min then left. At no point did he actually show any ID and I didn't show him my permit. The other employees didn't get involved, they just stood and watched. I may have missed bits of it but that's the highlights.

    I casually looked for a sign when I walk in. If there was one it wasn't a legal one.

    I went to Gander Mountain after that. Talked to the guys in the Firearms department there and told them about what happend at Academy. One of the guys there used to be a Forrest County deputy. He just said that the HPD officer was full of s**t. lol


    -Dave
    "you can play it that way if you want" must be the funniest way I've ever heard of saying 'dang you called my bluff'.

    As a note just remember the permit does not allow you to carry openly, it doesn't need to allow such. Only CC needs a CHP (CCW your permit is most certainly not) because CC is illegal in general; OC is legal and specifically protected by the Constitution of MS. Don't let anyone, especially cops, fool you into thinking you need permission to OC; it is prudent to have a permit (concealed handgun) as it can make potential court situations easier, even if you don't carry it when OC. I always have my CHP on me.

    On a lighter note be careful in Gander Mountain, they really to sell stuff when they see someone OC. I've noticed its like wearing a bloody steak around lions.
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    With that last comment of his, I kind of got the feeling that he might have called some of his on-duty friends but, I didn't get proned out in the parking lot.

    I did look at a SIG P220 while I was at Gander Mountain. It's a nice pistol, the grip is a lot smaller than my G21 and fits my hand better. The only problem is the price, $799! I really wish I had that kind of money to spend on a pistol now.

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    So what day would be better for you guys Saturday Dec 3, or Sunday Dec 4?
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    one of these days i want to see someone respond this way to the following remark about having to have it concealed

    'is one side concealed against me?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    So what day would be better for you guys Saturday Dec 3, or Sunday Dec 4?
    Saturday is better for me. Let's do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Saturday is better for me. Let's do this.
    Where would we meet? Are we talking Hattiesburg? Like the thread would imply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Where would we meet? Are we talking Hattiesburg? Like the thread would imply...
    Yes. But we probably need a more specific location, the city is a bit large and we might not find each other if we simply all arrive in H'burg. It might be helpful if a H'burg resident would suggest a non-bar location.
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    Off the top of my head, here are some locations. Maybe I should make a poll for this.
    Old Athens Grill
    Caliente Grill
    IHOP (directly across Hardy St. from USM)
    La Fiesta Brava
    Sweet Pepper's Deli (2 locations)
    McAlister's Deli (2 locations)
    Steelman's Cajun Kitchen (some of the best po-boys I've had in this city)
    Newk's Cafe
    Lenny's Sub Shop

    These restaurants do serve alcohol, but are not "primarily devoted to such purpose" as stated in 45-9-101(13). If anyone is uneasy about meeting in such a place, I understand and will not argue.
    Bakers Burger Co.
    Chili's (right near the US-98/I-59 interchange)
    Outback Steakhouse (also near the Interstate)
    Mellow Mushroom

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    Newks near the interstate sound good to me. Easy to find in case someone not familiar with H'burg comes.
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    Any of those places sound good to me. But, I need to know what day, 3rd or 4th. I have a pistol course scheduled on the 3rd in Meridian( so I can get the sticker put on my permit). I can reschedule to the 4th if I know in the next couple of days.

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    How about we carve the 3rd in stone? While we're at it what time is good for yall? 11AM is the absolute earliest I can be in town, and that will be with me getting up at 5 for the drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    How about we carve the 3rd in stone? While we're at it what time is good for yall? 11AM is the absolute earliest I can be in town, and that will be with me getting up at 5 for the drive.
    Saturdays are a bit more difficult for me, but I'll do what I have to. Somebody pick a time...

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    Well, I won't be able to reschedule the course, so if the meet is on the 3rd I won't be able to make it (sorry). I can make it on the
    4th.

    I had another run in with a Hattiesburg police officer tonight outside a liquor store. I was printing badly (OWB under a polo). We got to talking about carry laws and I mentioned open carry and my poorly hidden Glock. He asked if I had a permit and I said yes. That was it, he didn't ask to see it, ID, or anything. He said he was glad to see some one carrying. It was his understanding that open carry was allowed with a permit and I directed him to Artical 3 Section 12 of the Mississippi State Constitution. He thanked me for bringing it to his attention and said that he would "open up his books to look into it". We chatted for about 10 min. All in all, I think in was a pretty good encounter.

    BTW, I told him about the run in with his co-worker at Academy. He wasn't sure what to make of that officers reaction but, agreed that I was in the right. I think he might know the guy. When I mentioned "off-duty officer working at a sporting goods store" he guessed Academy right off the bat.

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    Article 3, Section 12. Right to bear arms.

    The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons.

    SOURCES: 1817 art I 23; 1832 art I 23; 1869 art I 15.

    I am from Louisiana, is this basically the same as our

    Article 1 - Section 11 - Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

    Hear in La you don’t need a permit to OC. So I was rendering it was the same in Miss. I would like to attend yal’s neetup.
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    I started a poll for a meet this coming weekend. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-OC-meet.-Vote!

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    I have been OC for about 2 years here in south Ms living in Columbia but traveling from gulfport to Jackson very often and never had an issue with an on duty LEO. That being said, was in Columbia Sunday buying some tobacco while carrying concealed with and in the pants holstered .40 cal when someone in the store says to me "Sir, your gun is showing" I said "hmmm ok" and covered it back with my shirt. The fella in front of me says "no worries, it happens" and I notice a small .380 in a Serpa on his hip under his shirt. I said "no biggie, I usually OC here in Ms. The guy says to me "u can't do that in Ms" I said "yes I can I do everyday as the constitution says I can" He says "no it doesn't " I say "yes it does" with a smile. He says " No u can't open carry in Ms" I say "u don't know the law" He says "I know the law I'm off duty" I said " then u need to reread the document" He says "u can't open carry" I said " Yes I can and by the way, there is no open carry anyways Ms is stupid and says a gun in a holster is concealed" He said "huh yeah if u have a permit" and I just said "have a nice day" and walked out. Never asked for permit

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    Quote Originally Posted by iroc4life View Post
    ... I said " Yes I can and by the way, there is no open carry anyways Ms is stupid and says a gun in a holster is concealed" ...
    Please don't perpetuate that dirty rumor, it only has potential to eliminate the right to bear arms; using a permit is not a right, but a privilage.
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