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    Angry Violent Crimes in/around OSU

    My girlfriend and I recently moved to Columbus for her to attend graduate school. She is often at school before sunrise and after sunset, particularly during this time of year. She forwards me the campus' "Timely Warnings" about crimes in our area. We live just about 3 miles SSE of campus. These crimes have been in and around campus. More of them to the East of campus, but I'm still nervous, concerned and getting more and more worried.

    I work in Athens, about an hour and a half away. Making my concern heavier. I leave before she does and get home after she does. Not that me being there would make the situation any better, as I doubt I'd be able to escort her daily, nor should I feel the need to. We should all have the right to feel like we can walk around our communities without fear.

    There was a robbery at gunpoint at 1944 Iuka Ave on 11/20/2011 at 12:57am. Here is a copy of the OSU alert:

    Timely Warning - Crime Alert
    Campus area

    Date:
    Nov. 21, 2011
    Alert Code:
    2011-19

    Although several Timely Warnings have been issued for a series of robberies in the campus community this notice is being issued based on different suspect information. On 11/20/11 at 12:57 a.m. a male and female (both non-students) reported to Columbus Police that they were robbed at gunpoint at the rear of 1944 Iuka Ave. by two individuals. Suspect #1 male/white, 20-25 years old, 5'9" 170 lbs. full beard and mustache. Suspect #2 male/white, 20- 25 years old, 5'9" 170 lbs. One suspect was described as wearing reading glasses; one suspect had a black handgun thought to be a 9MM pistol. Both were wearing "dark hoodies." Columbus Police are actively investigating this case. Reference CPD Case # 110983413

    Anyone with information concerning this crime should contact either the University Police, 292-2121 or Columbus Police, 645-4545. You may also report information anonymously to the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers at 461-TIPS or the University Crime Stoppers Tips line at 247-TIPS.

    EMERGENCY: 9-1-1
    Escort Service: 292-3322
    University Police: 292-2121
    Columbus Police: 645-4545

    For more information about the Timely Warning-"Crime Alert," visit http://dps.osu.edu/police/crime_alerts/
    She also sent me a message today that one of her fellow students, a French exchange student, was hit over the head and robbed INSIDE a McDonald's by two men. And NO ONE present did ANYTHING to prevent, stop, or pursue the criminal. This was at 2am on 11/19/2011. I do not know which McDonald's.

    I have not been active on OCDO in quite some time. I have not practiced open carry in Ohio since I moved here in November of 2009. The laws here seem confusing and I have heard some horror stories about law-abiding citizens dealing with criminal charges, physical beatings or even just petty nuisance by ignorant LEOs.

    So I'm going to begin the process of getting more involved. I'm going to see if there are any groups in my area. I'm going to invest in something better than my Hi-Point C9 for us to carry. I'm hoping to find out how she could maybe carry to and from campus. Unfortunately, I believe that she can't. I believe Ohio law prohibits one from carrying, permitted, open, concealed, or otherwise, on public school property, especially inside buildings and especially during any "school functions." I would assume "attending class" would be included as a "school function."

    I'm also hoping to get involved in changing this egregious loophole in our laws. A person should not be prohibited from exercising their 2nd amendment right, ever, in anyway, but even worse that she is an intelligent, educated, responsible, law-abiding, citizen who apparently walks among thieves, tyrants, rapists, and thugs daily while doing her job and getting an education.

    I just wanted to see if anyone else is in the area, if anyone else has heard such stories from OSU or other campuses, and/or if anyone can point-blank tell me what laws might pertain to this situation.

    Meanwhile, I'm about to do my own digging. On this forum and at OCDO's resources for state laws. What I find and what action we take I will add to this for others to see.

    I, for one, am becoming disgusted with the growing number of people violating the law and making law-abiding gun-owners and gun-carriers look like evil-intentioned people. I want to up the number of people legally and responsibly arming themselves to help sway public opinion and help us all regain our 2nd Amendment rights that have been continually etched away for many years.

    I'll be back...

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    I grew up in a suburb on the N end of Columbus, lived a bit east of campus when I got an apartment.

    Quote Originally Posted by omalley576
    a French exchange student was hit over the head and robbed INSIDE a McDonald's by two men. And NO ONE present did ANYTHING to prevent, stop, or pursue the criminal.
    Yep. Since probably nobody had the means to defend themselves, nobody wanted to get hurt.

    Unfortunately, I believe that she can't. I believe Ohio law prohibits one from carrying, permitted, open, concealed, or otherwise, on public school property
    A university isn't that sort of school, if you're referring to the "(legal) gun-free school zone" thing.
    That's K-12, or in some places 1-12.
    But OSU could make (probably has made) a policy to deny students & staff the right to protect themselves, without doing a thing to actually protect anyone. And depending on OH laws, they could do the same to visitors.
    Check www.handgunlaw.us to learn more.
    Does the U have to post signs at every entrance to every building?
    Do they have the force of law? What's the penalty for trespassing?
    Or would she "just" be disciplined within the school?

    I just wanted to see if anyone else is in the area, if anyone else has heard such stories from OSU or other campuses, and/or if anyone can point-blank tell me what laws might pertain to this situation.
    Oh, yeah, lots of robberies around campuses.
    Criminals know that in most places the students aren't allowed to defend themselves, & they carry nice little expensive trinkets.
    Check out http://www.concealedcampus.org/ for info on campuses that don't infringe RKBA, & their lack of problems, lack of crime.
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    throwing out this tidbit (shudder)

    first, yes i know this reference is for cc but in many relms of the land OC follows the same criteria and no it was late and i did not search OH's statuates...(getting ready for the whipping)

    page 12 of CCW manual from OH AG site: Forbidden Carry Zones The law sets forth several places where your license does not allow you tocarry a handgun. Under the law, you may not carry a concealed handguninto the following places:• Police stations• Sheriffs’ ofces• Highway Patrol posts• Premises controlled by BCI• Correctional institutions or other detention facilities• Airport terminals or airplanes• Facilities for the care of mentally ill persons• Courthouses or buildings in which a courtroom is located• Universities, unless locked in a motor vehicle or in the process of being locked in a motor vehicle• Places of worship, unless theplace of worship permits otherwise• Childday-care centers• Licensed Class D liquor permit premises if you are consuming beer orintoxicating liquor or are under the inuence. If you arenot consuming, you may carry unless there is a conspicuoussign prohibiting carry.Possession of a concealed rearm is allowed in a retail store with a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed carry licenseholder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issuedto an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the...

    http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/f...s-Booklet.aspx

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    Campus Carry is comming!

    The article below leaves the impression campus carry is being discussed!

    http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=15785

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    Welcome back Omalley! For applicable law regarding where one may carry concealed and openly carried handguns Ohio Revised Code (ORC) 2923.11 is where to start and continue through 2923.23 to get the full breadth of the laws ( http://66.161.141.185/orc/2923 ). Also take note that ORC 2921.11 provides the trespassing statute which would be used against someone carrying concealed or openly past a sign that bans such. Carrying concealed in places specifically prohibited by 2923.12 (or openly in some cases such as k-12 schools) is punished as a felony.

    Further the Ohio Legislature has reserved to itself the power to create firearms law to maintain uniform firearm laws throughout the state, and specifically delineates that those who successfully challenge laws, rules or regulations not provided by the legislature shall be able to recover reasonable fees and costs associated with challenging the laws, rules or regulations ( See ORC General Provisions, Chapter 9 "Miscellaneous" Section 9.68 http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/gp9.68 ).
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    I believe Ohio law prohibits one from carrying, permitted, open, concealed, or otherwise, on public school property, especially inside buildings and especially during any "school functions." I would assume "attending class" would be included as a "school function."
    Don't confuse the laws applying to K-12 schools with those applying to colleges and universities. They are different.

    As Makarov mentioned above, there are a group of OSU students who recently formed a group to promote on-campus carry.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8077

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    Since some great information was already given I figure id pop in my own two cents for a good weapon to carry. If this weapon is for both of you and you want to get good firepower, accuracy and stopping power I would advise an FN Five seveN, if this gun is for her I would recommend something small that still packs a nice punch with plenty of firepower, ruger sr9c is a good choice. I have shot both and both are awesome, but the FN costs a pretty penny and would be an open carry choice, the ruger is cheap and good for conceal carry. I would advise against the use of Hi points, thought they are A LOT better than they used to be you can get a better gun for a little more. No fingers lost. If you have any questions feel free to PM me . Stay safe

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    Smile Thanks

    Thanks to everyone for the information. I've been busy lately, but I hope to peruse the links and the ORC as soon as I can.

    And thanks for the weapon recommendations! My Hi-Points aren't very trustworthy. I do not carry them for that reason. I'm not afraid of them going off unexpectedly, that has never happened. I'm afraid of them NOT going off if I need them!!! I used to think they were GREAT firearms, and that they were a good bang for your buck. I've had them for 4 years now and fired probably 2,000 rounds or more through each. They have gotten continually worse and jam repeatedly. I've thoroughly cleaned them after each use and have polished the feed ramps many times.

    Sorry to get off-topic. Just wanted to cover the issues with Hi-Points for any future readers. A friend said it best, "keep it in your car in addition to anything else you use as a primary, that way you always have a backup, but you're not at any real loss if it gets stolen." He flies frequently and keeps one in his car while it is garaged for that very reason.
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    infringe transitive verb: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

    encroach intransitive verb: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another

    What part of "infringe" means we can in any way restrict anyone's individual right to ever keep or carry arms?

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    I have a Hi Point and it is reliable. What I did to mine was adjust the top of the magazines and it helps amazingly. I left Ohio 15 yrs ago and I don't miss it. Good luck down there and be safe.

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    Welcome back to the fray, O'Malley!

    My suggestions are to learn the law from the experienced OH members and then lawfully carry at all opportunities. Also, join the campus effort to bring the 2A back.

    Oh, and are you hinting for a firearm for Christmas? I don't know how doable that would be.


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    I'll have to dig around some more to see what you did to that Hi-Point. The biggest problem I have noticed is quality control and lack of consistency from year to year. Between the 3 models of the C9 that I've seen there is very little that is the same other than the overall shape and interchangeability of parts. There are wildly different machined features and large tolerances. I attribute that to them being a young MFG. They'll come around eventually. And, hey, you still have that piece of Ohio with you!

    I'm always hinting around for a new firearm for Christmas! You've still got time to pick one up and wrap it!

    -OMalley
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    infringe transitive verb: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

    encroach intransitive verb: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another

    What part of "infringe" means we can in any way restrict anyone's individual right to ever keep or carry arms?

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    If you go to the hipoint website they tell you what to do to the magazines. It is simple. You take a pair of needle nose pliers and adjust the top edges of it. You turn them inwards a little at a time until it doesn't stove pipe or jam.

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    Ohio Senator Kris Jordan to Introduce Campus Carry Legislation


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    Quote Originally Posted by omalley576 View Post
    My girlfriend and I recently moved to Columbus for her to attend graduate school...
    Check out how this organization is handling the matter in Virginia: http://vcdl.org/

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