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    This Is What The NRA Does Well

    The final conference report on the combined Fiscal Year 2012 Agriculture, Commerce/Justice/Science (CJS) and Transportation/Housing/Urban Development (THUD) Appropriations bills—also known as the “Mini-Bus,” was passed by both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate, and has been signed into law.

    One of the most important ways that Congress has protected the Second Amendment is through a number of general provisions included in various appropriations bills. Many of these provisions have been included in the bills for many years—some of the provisions go back almost three decades. This conference report is no exception, as it contains 12 provisions that strengthen the Second Amendment and protect the American people.

    Specifically, the conference report makes PERMANENT the following protections:

    Firearms Database/National Gun Registry Prohibition. No funds may be used to create, maintain or administer a database of firearms owners or their firearms. This prohibition has been in place since Fiscal Year 1979, and prevents the federal government from establishing a national gun registry.
    Former Firearms Dealers Information Retrieval Prohibition. No funds may be used to electronically retrieve personally identifying information gathered by federal firearms licensees. The provision prohibits the creation of a gun registry from dealers’ records that are required by law to be surrendered to the federal government when a dealer goes out of business. This provision has been included since FY 1997.
    Information Gathering Prohibition/24-Hour Destruction of Records. A prohibition on the use of funds to retain any information gathered as a part of an approved instant background check for more than 24 hours. This provision protects the privacy of law-abiding gun buyers by prohibiting gun buyers’ personal information about legal gun purchases from being retained by government authorities for more than 24 hours after a firearm background check. It has been included since FY 1999.


    In addition, the conference report adds two NEW provisions designed to bolster our gun rights and protect the Second Amendment from unelected bureaucrats who would twist the law to facilitate their gun-control agenda.

    Prohibit Funding for “Gun Walking” Operations. No funds may be used to knowingly transfer firearms to agents of drug cartels unless U.S. law enforcement personnel control or monitor the firearms at all time. This amendment is designed to prevent the Justice Department (or any government entity) from spending taxpayer dollars on “gun walking” programs like Operation Fast and Furious.
    Shotgun Importation Protections. Prohibits the Department of Justice from requiring imported shotguns to meet a “sporting purposes” test that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) has used to prohibit the importation of shotguns with one or more features disliked by the Agency, such as adjustable stocks, extended magazine tubes, etc.


    Finally, the conference report RETAINS the following provisions:

    Curio and Relic Definition. A prohibition on the use of funds to change the definition of a “curio or relic.” This provision protects the status of collectible firearms for future generations of firearms collectors.
    Physical Inventory Prohibition. Prohibition on a requirement to allow a physical inventory of Federal Firearms Licensees. The Clinton Administration proposed a rule in 2000 to require an annual inventory by all licensees. While the Bush Administration eventually withdrew the proposal, Congress has still passed this preventive provision every year since FY 2007.
    Business Activity. A prohibition on the use of funds to deny a Federal Firearms License (FFL) or renewal of an FFL on the basis of low business activity. This provision prohibits BATFE from denying federal firearms license applications or renewals based on a dealer’s low business volume alone.
    Firearms Trace Data Disclaimer. A requirement that any trace data released must include a disclaimer stating such trace data cannot be used to draw broad conclusion about firearms-related crime.
    Firearms Parts Export to Canada. A prohibition on the use of funds to require an export license for small firearms parts valued at less than $500 for export to Canada. This provision removed an unnecessary and burdensome requirement on U.S. gun manufacturers that was imposed under the Clinton Administration.
    Importation of Curios and Relics. A prohibition on the use of funds to arbitrarily deny importation of qualifying curio and relic firearms. This provision ensures that collectible firearms that meet all legal requirements for importation into the United States are not prevented from import by executive branch fiat.
    Transfer of BATFE Authority. A prohibition on the use of funds to transfer any duty or responsibility of the BATFE to any other agency or department. This provision was written in response to a Clinton Administration plan to transfer firearms enforcement to the FBI or Secret Service. It also prohibits the Executive branch from skirting the will of Congress by allowing another agency to implement policies the BATFE is prohibited from implementing.

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    I appreciate your taking the time to post the final conference report on the combined Fiscal Year 2012 Agriculture, Commerce/Justice/Science (CJS) and Transportation/Housing/Urban Development (THUD) Appropriations bills—also known as the “Mini-Bus,” which was passed by both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate, and has been signed into law.

    It was a fascinating "read", and contained a truck load of good news for all owners of firearms, as far as I could ascertain.
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    Thanks for the post. I knew this had been passed but wasn't aware it finally got passed & signed!.

    Thanks Again.

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    Scratching my head.

    No sporting purpose for shotguns. Why? Why not rifles, handguns? Which shotguns does this affect?

    BATFE cannot be folded into another agency. Why not? But can they become subordinate to the FBI? This idea of closing BATFE and shipping responsibility to the FBI has been floated recently.

    Sidenote: Since Obama signed this legislation, he really is becoming the most pro-gun President in history, despite his statements to the contrary, as far as signing legislation goes. National Park carry, Amtrak allowing stored guns, now this (wasn't there something else too?). Either he's losing the political gun game, not telling his base his true feelings, or the other shoe is going to drop like a nuke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Scratching my head.

    No sporting purpose for shotguns. Why? Why not rifles, handguns? Which shotguns does this affect?

    BATFE cannot be folded into another agency. Why not? But can they become subordinate to the FBI? This idea of closing BATFE and shipping responsibility to the FBI has been floated recently.

    Sidenote: Since Obama signed this legislation, he really is becoming the most pro-gun President in history, despite his statements to the contrary, as far as signing legislation goes. National Park carry, Amtrak allowing stored guns, now this (wasn't there something else too?). Either he's losing the political gun game, not telling his base his true feelings, or the other shoe is going to drop like a nuke.
    This is what's going to happen if he gets reelected. By not having to worry about another election, he'll be able to try and jam stuff down the American peoples throats with no fear of any repercussions...... Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    No sporting purpose for shotguns. Why? Why not rifles, handguns? Which shotguns does this affect?
    SPAS-12, SPAS-15, probably some others I've forgotten are already banned. The rumor this year was that the Saiga-12 would be added to the list.

    In January, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) proposed that the importation of many shotguns be prohibited. In a report entitled Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns, the BATFE found that “certain shotgun features are not particularly suitable or readily adapted for sporting purposes,” including:

    Folding, telescoping or collapsible stocks
    Bayonet lugs
    Flash suppressors
    Magazines over five rounds, or a drum magazine
    Grenade-launcher mounts
    Integrated rail systems
    Light-enhancing devices
    Excessive weight
    Excessive bulk
    Forward pistol grips
    http://gunowners.org/a04292011.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    ...Sidenote: Since Obama signed this legislation, he really is becoming the most pro-gun President in history, despite his statements to the contrary, as far as signing legislation goes. National Park carry, Amtrak allowing stored guns, now this (wasn't there something else too?). Either he's losing the political gun game, not telling his base his true feelings, or the other shoe is going to drop like a nuke.
    He just hasn't really had much of a choice with a conservative House, and a Senate that is barely controlled by the liberals, with the head liberal being pro-gun from Nevada. We got lucky, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Sidenote: Since Obama signed this legislation, he really is becoming the most pro-gun President in history, despite his statements to the contrary, as far as signing legislation goes. National Park carry, Amtrak allowing stored guns, now this (wasn't there something else too?). Either he's losing the political gun game, not telling his base his true feelings, or the other shoe is going to drop like a nuke.
    I believe the other shoe is the negation of everything he signed by means of a binding international UN Small Arms Treaty. People keep saying "oh, that can't happen! It's against the Constitution." So were/are a lot of things which have come to pass in our country.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Scratching my head.

    No sporting purpose for shotguns. Why? Why not rifles, handguns? Which shotguns does this affect?

    BATFE cannot be folded into another agency. Why not? But can they become subordinate to the FBI? This idea of closing BATFE and shipping responsibility to the FBI has been floated recently.

    Sidenote: Since Obama signed this legislation, he really is becoming the most pro-gun President in history, despite his statements to the contrary, as far as signing legislation goes. National Park carry, Amtrak allowing stored guns, now this (wasn't there something else too?). Either he's losing the political gun game, not telling his base his true feelings, or the other shoe is going to drop like a nuke.
    ATF wanted to stop the import of Saiga shotguns, through use of the misinterpretation and misreading the sporting purposes requirement. The one that says a firearm must be adaptable to sporting use, but is read as it must only have a sporting use.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Just because the government isn't allowed to directly fund it doesn't mean they aren't keeping records. I'm positive that every time a FFL runs a background check, the particulars are saved somewhere. If you think they're going to follow their own laws/regulations, you're not solidly grounded in reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsimmons View Post
    Just because the government isn't allowed to directly fund it doesn't mean they aren't keeping records. I'm positive that every time a FFL runs a background check, the particulars are saved somewhere. If you think they're going to follow their own laws/regulations, you're not solidly grounded in reality.
    Laws aren't magical. It just means someone has to catch ATF breaking the law, and then the rest of us have to be sure it doesn't blow over.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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