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Which Is More Imortant?

SourKraut

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Of the two choices offered, which do you think is most important, the "Greater Good", or the "Good of the Individual"?

I am sure some will label me selfish, but I am inclined to believe that the good of the individual is of upmost importance. Does anyone disagree? Why?

Thanks- s.K.
 

skidmark

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Are we talking about bringing enough gum for the whole class, or are talking about your natural and unalienable* right to self defense?

Yes, "it depends" is the best answer to your poorly worded question.

stay safe.

*Despite what some want to believe, there is a difference between inalienable and unalienable. Think "may not" versus "can not".
 

RPGamingGirl

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I want to say the many is more important than the few. But we all know from experience that there are some of 'the many' that aren't necessarily good for the gene pool, so to speak. Therefore, sometimes meeting the needs of the individual, in the long run, is better for the many.
 

Daylen

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Of the two choices offered, which do you think is most important, the "Greater Good", or the "Good of the Individual"?

I am sure some will label me selfish, but I am inclined to believe that the good of the individual is of upmost importance. Does anyone disagree? Why?

Thanks- s.K.

Its very American for law to protect the individual from the the masses. Yet the US has the most charitable people in the world. If left to the individual the choice is fine either way, if government tries to make the choice it will end badly.
 

Brass Magnet

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Protect the individuals rights and "The greater good" will take care of itself. Focus on "The greater good" and eventually the individual fades away into the collective, having no rights as a human as any violation of rights can now be justified.

Someone above used a Star Trek reference. Following along; "The greater good" might just as well be: "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated"

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Daylen

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Protect the individuals rights and "The greater good" will take care of itself. Focus on "The greater good" and eventually the individual fades away into the collective, having no rights as a human as any violation of rights can now be justified.

Someone above used a Star Trek reference. Following along; "The greater good" might just as well be: "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated"

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk

Hehe, I once heard a better version of resistance is futile... "Resistance is futile; prepare to be inseminated".
 

RPGamingGirl

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Protect the individuals rights and "The greater good" will take care of itself. Focus on "The greater good" and eventually the individual fades away into the collective, having no rights as a human as any violation of rights can now be justified.

That's where i was trying to go with my answer, but you said it far better.
 

HandyHamlet

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Spock was a socialist POS. The needs of the many are not going to help themselves at the expense of this one.

Well... your indoctrination is showing.

Had Spock not made the ultimate sacrifice the entire crew and ship would be dead. Not just him. How is that socialism again? Here's a hint. It's not. It IS however a common theme among Asian movies like Hero. The main character dies in the end. Sacrificing himself for "the greater good".

Luckily history shows time and again that when the many are in need the people and often the world comes together. That's called humanity.
 
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Daylen

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Well... your indoctrination is showing.

Had Spock not made the ultimate sacrifice the entire crew and ship would be dead. Not just him. How is that socialism again? Here's a hint. It's not. It IS however a common theme among Asian movies like Hero. The main character dies in the end. Sacrificing himself for "the greater good".

Luckily history shows time and again that when the many are in need the people and often the world comes together. That's called humanity.

I never liked the Spock character, sorry. Its just a bonus that Roddenberry had Star Trek and especially the Vulcans set in a socialist background.
 

HandyHamlet

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You took offense at what I said, so I thought I'd give a short explanation of my statement. I didn't and don't care to go chasing red herrings.

WTF?

:lol:

I took offense? Really? Merely pointing out your huge and kind of sad gap in logic, pun intended, and the fact that you have done nothing but exhibit your brainwashing. As far as the red herring excuse? Pathetic attempt at deflecting.

Since you refuse to address what you wrote previously, let me present you with the same logic a slightly different way...

The guy who jumps on a grenade to save his squad. Hero or "socialist"?

Happy Thanksgiving.


:cool:
 

Daylen

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Since you refuse to address what you wrote previously, let me present you with the same logic a slightly different way...

The guy who jumps on a grenade to save his squad. Hero or "socialist"?
...

I did address what I wrote previously; I'll rephrase it for you and elaborate.
Spock was a socialist POS. He is socialist because that is the background Star Trek and especially the Vulcans have, if you don't believe me just google roddenberry and socialism. His character was not one I liked and in fact found repugnant, I'm not going into this much more than to say that kind of character is not for my tastes.

"Yet you did not address anything I said" was a correct statement you made previously and it holds now, I'm not going to go for your scarecrow tactic of trying to get me to support something not in my original argument.
 

HandyHamlet

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Your personal view of the fictitious character has been duly noted as well as you continued deflection of the topic at hand. And your most excellent indoctrination.

I'll ask again.

The guy who jumps on the grenade to save his squad. Hero or socialist?

Your original statement is that Spock is a socialist and his act regarding "the needs of the many" will change nothing.

Yet his act saved the crew, his friends, and the ship.



This thing is on and everyone can read what you type.
 
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Daylen

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Your personal view of the fictitious character has been duly noted as well as you continued deflection of the topic at hand.

I'll ask again.

The guy who jumps on the grenade to save his squad. Hero or socialist?

When did this scarecrow become the topic? Just because you ask a question does not mean that the discussion must yield to that direction of logic or illogic. All I did was address a quote of a character. Your question is a small subset of the main topic that I find boring because of its soap box appeal and very weak pinnings to my original comment. How about this:

The guy who throws his friend on the grenade to save his platoon. Hero?
 
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