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    Hi everyone… I am new on this site, actually new in this state and country Just moved from Europe I am now living in Kentucky. I have married a Kentucky girl two months ago. Since childhood I have admired American way of life and freedom to carry a gun. As a gun enthusiast, now I have the opportunity to live the same way of life and can enjoy the same freedom as you guys do. I am coming from a country where it is almost impossible to get a license to possess a gun. You have to have a goooood reason for that (and under good reason I mean that just recently someone threaten your life or someone attempted to murder you) and you must go through a dozen different administration things and medical checking. Finally, if you are approved, in 99% of the cases you are only allowed to have a gun in your home. In 1% of the cases you will actually get a permit that allows you to carry a gun outside of your home and that always will have to be concealed. Open carry is not even imaginable. So, I have to say, whatever we think about what is going on in the U.S. about the 2nd amendment , the U.S. is far ahead and advanced in this matter than any other country. God bless America indeed. Well…let me just say this. My wife, knowing that I am big gun lover just bought me a brand new Beretta Px4 storm type F. She, herself has CCDW license and I am looking forward to getting mine soon. I am looking forward to getting to know you all better over time on this forum and maybe we can see each other on some shooting range or gun show.

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    Welcome to (relative) liberty regarding gun ownership and possession.

    What is your citizenship? I ask, because unfortunately Kentucky is one of the very few states that only issues concealed carry licenses to U.S. citizens. When they changed the law a few years ago, non-citizen legal aliens with Kentucky CCDWLs were allowed to keep their licenses until they expired, but were not allowed to renew.

    A lawsuit was filed by a British national, and he won a preliminary injunction against the change in 2008. I don't know if that's been finally settled, or not; Kentuckians can probably give better information, and this is an active section of the forum.


    http://aclu-ky.org/content/view/207/2/
    http://www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-ctmemo.pdf
    http://www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-order.pdf
    http://kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm

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    Welcome to OCDO and the USA.

    As someone who grew up travelling in places that were not the USA I have some idea of what you mean when you say
    So, I have to say, whatever we think about what is going on in the U.S. about the 2nd amendment , the U.S. is far ahead and advanced in this matter than any other country. God bless America indeed.
    It appears that the Say ruling will allow you to get a CCDWL in spite of your not yet being a US citzen. I hope you apply even if you do not intend to carry concealed - just to prove that you can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    Welcome to (relative) liberty regarding gun ownership and possession.

    What is your citizenship? I ask, because unfortunately Kentucky is one of the very few states that only issues concealed carry licenses to U.S. citizens. When they changed the law a few years ago, non-citizen legal aliens with Kentucky CCDWLs were allowed to keep their licenses until they expired, but were not allowed to renew.

    A lawsuit was filed by a British national, and he won a preliminary injunction against the change in 2008. I don't know if that's been finally settled, or not; Kentuckians can probably give better information, and this is an active section of the forum.


    http://aclu-ky.org/content/view/207/2/
    http://www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-ctmemo.pdf
    http://www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-order.pdf
    http://kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm
    Thank you KBCraig for this update. I am in process of getting green card as a first step to get citizenship. I will have to check for a details here in Kentucky.

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    Welcome to America! In respone to KBCraig, in 2008, the Kentucky General Assembly did revise Ky. Rev. Stat. § 237.110 in anticipation of the decision entered during the 2008 legislative session in Say v. Adams, which declared unconstitutional the former provisions of that section in effect from 2006 to 2008 that limited issuance of CCDW licenses to U.S. citizens.
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    Welcome to Ky, the greatest state in the union in my opinion. Enjoy your newfound right to bear arms, and the right of self preservation that comes with it! Please do let us know what it's like coming from a country with tyrannical gun laws, to a state with nearly no gun laws, and if it's truly what you expected... Welcome again, and enjoy!

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    Thanks gutshot... and thanks to all you guys for welcoming.

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    Welcome to the U.S. & to the forum, West. Kentucky is as stated, one of the top states in the U.S. when it comes to freedom and liberty in relationship to owning and having a sidearm. If you're looking for gun shows in Kentucky you can check here:

    http://www.gunshows-usa.com/kentucky.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuroblades View Post
    Welcome to the U.S. & to the forum, West. Kentucky is as stated, one of the top states in the U.S. when it comes to freedom and liberty in relationship to owning and having a sidearm. If you're looking for gun shows in Kentucky you can check here:

    http://www.gunshows-usa.com/kentucky.htm
    Thank you …. Exactly what I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by west View Post
    Thank you …. Exactly what I was looking for.
    You're most welcome. Lexington & Louisville shows are generally the best ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuroblades View Post
    You're most welcome. Lexington & Louisville shows are generally the best ones.
    Generally? I have only been to two in lexington and would love to go back next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by west View Post
    Hi everyone… I am new on this site, actually new in this state and country Just moved from Europe I am now living in Kentucky. I have married a Kentucky girl two months ago. Since childhood I have admired American way of life and freedom to carry a gun. As a gun enthusiast, now I have the opportunity to live the same way of life and can enjoy the same freedom as you guys do. I am coming from a country where it is almost impossible to get a license to possess a gun. You have to have a goooood reason for that (and under good reason I mean that just recently someone threaten your life or someone attempted to murder you) and you must go through a dozen different administration things and medical checking. Finally, if you are approved, in 99% of the cases you are only allowed to have a gun in your home. In 1% of the cases you will actually get a permit that allows you to carry a gun outside of your home and that always will have to be concealed. Open carry is not even imaginable. So, I have to say, whatever we think about what is going on in the U.S. about the 2nd amendment , the U.S. is far ahead and advanced in this matter than any other country. God bless America indeed. Well…let me just say this. My wife, knowing that I am big gun lover just bought me a brand new Beretta Px4 storm type F. She, herself has CCDW license and I am looking forward to getting mine soon. I am looking forward to getting to know you all better over time on this forum and maybe we can see each other on some shooting range or gun show.
    Bollocks
    You are not from europe!
    First of all only americans would refer to europe as a "country" a european native would never introduce themselves as a european!

    I just moved from europe? which part?

    A
    Albania
    Andorra
    Armenia
    Austria
    Azerbaijan
    B
    Belarus
    Belgium
    Bosnia & Herzegovina
    Bulgaria
    C
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    D
    Denmark
    E
    Estonia
    F
    Finland
    France
    G
    Georgia
    Germany
    Greece

    H
    Hungary
    I
    Iceland
    Ireland
    Italy
    K
    Kosovo
    L
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    M
    Macedonia
    Malta
    Moldova
    Monaco
    MonteAfrican American The Netherlands
    Norway

    Poland
    Portugal


    Romania
    Russia

    San Marino
    Serbia
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland

    Turkey

    Ukraine
    United Kingdom

    Vatican City (Holy See)

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    I don't think the author meant to insinuate that Europe was a country. I didn't get that impression from reading this.

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    Welcome, and enjoy the things that the United States and Kentucky have to offer. I have travelled the world and have not found anyplace that I would rather be!
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    I think you need to spend some time in the corner with an English primer. At no point during his post does the OP refer to Europe as a country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Berg View Post
    Bollocks
    You are not from europe!
    First of all only americans would refer to europe as a "country" a european native would never introduce themselves as a european!

    I just moved from europe? which part?

    A
    Albania
    Andorra
    Armenia
    Austria
    Azerbaijan
    B
    Belarus
    Belgium
    Bosnia & Herzegovina
    Bulgaria
    C
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    D
    Denmark
    E
    Estonia
    F
    Finland
    France
    G
    Georgia
    Germany
    Greece

    H
    Hungary
    I
    Iceland
    Ireland
    Italy
    K
    Kosovo
    L
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    M
    Macedonia
    Malta
    Moldova
    Monaco
    MonteAfrican American The Netherlands
    Norway

    Poland
    Portugal


    Romania
    Russia

    San Marino
    Serbia
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland

    Turkey

    Ukraine
    United Kingdom

    Vatican City (Holy See)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Welcome to Ky, the greatest state in the union in my opinion. Enjoy your newfound right to bear arms, and the right of self preservation that comes with it! Please do let us know what it's like coming from a country with tyrannical gun laws, to a state with nearly no gun laws, and if it's truly what you expected... Welcome again, and enjoy!
    the right of self preservation
    No one has a right to me....oh, I see what you meant.

    Please do let us know what it's like coming from a country with tyrannical gun laws
    I fear we may soon find that answer out first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    There is no citizenship requirement in the current KY. concealed carry licensing statute.

    This is from KRS 237.110:

    (4) The Department of Kentucky State Police shall issue an original or renewal license if the applicant:
    (a) Is not prohibited from the purchase, receipt, or possession of firearms, ammunition, or both pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(g), 18 U.S.C. 922(n), or applicable federal or state law;
    (b) 1.Is a citizen of the United States who is a resident of this commonwealth
    and has been a resident for six (6) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application;
    2. Is a citizen of the United States who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States who is on active duty, who is at the time of application assigned to a military posting in Kentucky, and who has been assigned to a posting in the Commonwealth for six (6) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application;
    3. Is lawfully admitted to the United States by the United States government or an agency thereof, is permitted by federal law to purchase a firearm, and has been a resident of this Commonwealth for six (6) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application; or
    4. Is lawfully admitted to the United States by the United States government or an agency thereof, is permitted by federal law to purchase a firearm, is, at the time of the application, assigned to a military posting in Kentucky, and has been assigned to a posting in the Commonwealth for six (6) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application
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    Even if he couldn't get a CDWL under KY statute, it wouldn't prohibit him from OC'ing would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by west View Post
    Hi everyone… I am new on this site, actually new in this state and country Just moved from Europe I am now living in Kentucky. I have married a Kentucky girl two months ago. Since childhood I have admired American way of life and freedom to carry a gun. As a gun enthusiast, now I have the opportunity to live the same way of life and can enjoy the same freedom as you guys do. I am coming from a country where it is almost impossible to get a license to possess a gun. You have to have a goooood reason for that (and under good reason I mean that just recently someone threaten your life or someone attempted to murder you) and you must go through a dozen different administration things and medical checking. Finally, if you are approved, in 99% of the cases you are only allowed to have a gun in your home. In 1% of the cases you will actually get a permit that allows you to carry a gun outside of your home and that always will have to be concealed. Open carry is not even imaginable. So, I have to say, whatever we think about what is going on in the U.S. about the 2nd amendment , the U.S. is far ahead and advanced in this matter than any other country. God bless America indeed. Well…let me just say this. My wife, knowing that I am big gun lover just bought me a brand new Beretta Px4 storm type F. She, herself has CCDW license and I am looking forward to getting mine soon. I am looking forward to getting to know you all better over time on this forum and maybe we can see each other on some shooting range or gun show.
    Welcome. I'm glad that you are starting to enjoy your gun freedoms. As you know, it ain't such a great time for gun owners in America. And what I mean by that is our 2nd Amendment is always under attack, but recent events have made it under heavy, heavy attack. So by all means get involved with the pro-gun movement ASAP. With that said, KY. is a very gun friendly state. But please take the time to learn the laws of Ky so you don't find yourself violating said laws with a gun in the future. I have meet a couple of people from different countries that believe a "free country" is a place that you can do as you please. Not true at all. Well, not with America at least.
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    Self Preservation, look at OP's time stamp.

    Mike revived a dead thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Self Preservation, look at OP's time stamp.

    Mike revived a dead thread.
    Damn. Sure enough. WTF Mike??
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    Damn. Sure enough. WTF Mike??
    I really don't know. He shows up out of nowhere, calls another member (who I think is inactive) a liar.

    I don't really understand people like that. I could understand an active thread, or reviving an old thread in light of new information.
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