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    if you see this what do you do?

    i always OC. i saw this at Haynes mall.



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    First off, this is a horribly worded sign. Second, I would probably OC until asked to leave. If asked to leave I wouldn't say a word about the sign, just leave.
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    Saw a no concealed weapons sign on my bank, so I walked in OC since that is how I normally carry anyway. Was only asked to put my weapon away once, and that was because they thought it was against the law. I have since let them know that it's not (I tried to explain that while I was in the bank, but they didn't believe me) via email communication with documentation. They have not told me I can't in the future, but they haven't said I can either, will go with what the sign continues to say when next I head that way.

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    It's painfully obvious what it says. "No concealed firearms." If you take that to the letter it says nothing about open carry, just concealed. However, do you risk it on a technicality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Oliver View Post
    It's painfully obvious what it says. "No concealed firearms." If you take that to the letter it says nothing about open carry, just concealed. However, do you risk it on a technicality?
    I think it's worth challenging by going OC in the Mall until someone says something. The worst that can happen is you'll just get asked to leave, right? I think it would be worth it to ask where they post that firearms are prohibited just so I could then point out their error.

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    If this sign is on a Mall, you might want to look around for their "Rules of Conduct" sign--usually posted at the entrance as well. Thsi will generally be a poster-size sign with tiny, hard-to-read type in difficult to read color combinations. If they have such a sign, it will say the same thing as this sign--"Co Concealed Firearms"--but it will almost certainly have another clause that states "no weapons of any kind".

    If that is the case, and you OC, they can ask you to leave, and if you don't you are guilty of trepassing. But signs on private property do not hold the power of law, and the worst that can happen is that you are asked to leave...

    If a sign doesn't SPECIFICALLY ban ALL forms of carry, and ONLY says "no concealed", then OC is legal there--even if it is a "technicality".

    "Technicalities" are just stupid bureaucrat's way of saying "we want to control your life, but we are too stupid to write policies that include every possible permutation of human activity"...

    Technicalities are what makes our system work--game it for every inch you can. When the people making policy and law don't understand the fundamental principals of the law, human behavior, and the English Language, it is the DUTY of every literate, law-abiding, intelligent Citizen to play EXACTLY by the rules--especially if doing so ends up with "unintended consequences" for the control-freak bureaucrats...

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    If I see that I usually go in OC. Several places have similar signs and it's clear that the usage of the word "concealed" means exactly that.

    Time Warner Cable and the Ft Bragg Federal Credit Union here in Fayetteville are two places I can think of right off that have signs indicating that concealed weapons are not allowed inside. I've OC'd in both locations on numerous occasions and have had no trouble at all.

    I hardly tell people what to do or how to act, but I'll share what I do if confronted by confused or misinformed clerks/ cashiers: I simply apologize for my confusion in thinking that it was ok to come inside while openly carrying. The sign indicated that concealed weapons were not allowed so I thought that OC was good.

    Rarely will I spend more than a few seconds inside beyond that. Once it's been indicated to me that my presence in a business is not welcome I'll not stop and argue the situation with them. If they "get it" after I leave, then so be it. I'm sure the loss of my business is of little concern to them one way or the other anyway. If they were wrong then the next person who goes inside can benefit from my experience. As for me, I'll simply find somewhere else to spend my time, money, or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDFIVE48 View Post
    Saw a no concealed weapons sign on my bank, so I walked in OC since that is how I normally carry anyway. Was only asked to put my weapon away once, and that was because they thought it was against the law. I have since let them know that it's not (I tried to explain that while I was in the bank, but they didn't believe me) via email communication with documentation. They have not told me I can't in the future, but they haven't said I can either, will go with what the sign continues to say when next I head that way.
    As of Thursday they can continue to post if they wish, but there will be no state law making CC in a bank illegal. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. I bet most don't even know.

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    If I saw that sign I would OC (as I noramlly do). Not a problem. In Montana (by law) you cannot CC into a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol. Someone complained and everyone that knows chimed in...just OC, perfectly legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    As of Thursday they can continue to post if they wish, but there will be no state law making CC in a bank illegal. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. I bet most don't even know.
    It will still be illegal due to Federal laws. Many states don't even pass laws for CC in banks because it's already illegal at the federal level. If NC is wiping it off their books it's probably due to redundancy.

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    Exclamation CC in Banks Violates Federal Law!?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    It will still be illegal due to Federal laws. Many states don't even pass laws for CC in banks because it's already illegal at the federal level. If NC is wiping it off their books it's probably due to redundancy.
    Huh!?!?!

    Cite, please.

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    There is no cite; no federal law exists to regulate the possession of weapons at financial institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    It will still be illegal due to Federal laws. Many states don't even pass laws for CC in banks because it's already illegal at the federal level. If NC is wiping it off their books it's probably due to redundancy.

    ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    There is no cite; no federal law exists to regulate the possession of weapons at financial institutions.
    This.


    Banks are private property, not federal property. There may be a few exceptions, but not many. Most states don't pass laws on CC in banks because they treat them like any other business. How could we OC in banks before this law if it was illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    There is no cite; no federal law exists to regulate the possession of weapons at financial institutions.
    You have to be able to cite a law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calynn View Post
    You have to be able to cite a law.
    You're missing his point. You can't cite something that doesn't exist. He is refuting the person above who said CC in financial institutions is against federal law. As has been pointed out, this is blatantly false. There is no federal law prohibiting CC in a financial institution, therefore it is legal.
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    Blatantly would imply intentionally...which is not the case. If I made a mistake in posting, then I apologize.

    Thanks to all for reminding me why I don't waste much time here any longer in the first place.

    Have a great day.

    Edit: Somehow I got my wires crossed and mixed up state and federal laws. To my knowledge there's never been a federal law against cc in financial institutions. I've even raised this point several times in other discussions lol. I just mixed the two up this time. It's always been a state law issue, not a federal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Oliver View Post
    It's painfully obvious what it says. "No concealed firearms." If you take that to the letter it says nothing about open carry, just concealed. However, do you risk it on a technicality?

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    that is basically my stance. i've 'risked' it a bunch of times and had no problems.
    however, when you think about it, the 'technicality' case can be said about a lot of things. look at bank carry. many would say its a 'technicality' that you cant CC but can open carry. most law is based on a technicality.

    that being said, i think some property owners in general mean 'no handguns' when they post a 'no concealed handgun' sign. not all, but some.

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    Common sense would dictate that if no concealed firearms are allowed, then no unconcealed firearms are allowed.

    I'd have left and went shopping somewhere else.
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    Sometimes places with a No Concealed Firearms sign mean only that though. They have no problem with people carrying as long as they can see it. I've been to a few places that had that look on it

    That being said, the worst they can do is tell you to leave. I have no problem carrying into places with a "No Concealed" sign. It doesn't matter what their intentions of the sign are, unless they post both types of carry, or personally tell you that you can't carry in there, you're not doing anything wrong by open carrying. So far I've never had a place with a No Concealed sign that had an issue with me open carrying, but that doesn't mean it'll be that way every time. If it comes down to them telling me to leave, I'll inform them that the sign says nothing about open carry and they should talk to their manager about the store policy and inform them I won't be doing business there again and then leave.
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    Dear Business Owner,

    I approached your door a few days ago in order to enter your establishment to spend my hard earned money there.

    I was astonished to see a sign you placed on your door. It displayed a pistol with the traditional "No (icon)" symbol, and underneath, the words "GO AWAY! WE DO NOT WANT YOUR BUSINESS!"

    I am writing to inform you that I will comply with your wishes and from now on I will discourage all persons I meet who lawfully carry a personal defense firearm to heed the words clearly posted on your door and take their business elsewhere.

    I am pleased to report that I do not know any criminals, so I will not be able to discourage them from entering your establishment. No worries. You posted that sign. I am sure the criminals will voluntarily comply with your wishes.

    Sincerely,

    Law Abiding Citizen, Gun Owner, Lawful Licensed Concealed Carrier
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    Alright then im going to put it this way because i will be doing alot of shopping because of christmas this is yes and no format lol

    Would you openly carry in hanes mall knowing that entering the facility you saw a sign that said " No Carried concealed weapons on the premises"?

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    Personally, I wouldn't.
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    Employees of the store don't really care about policy like that. They aren't going to waste breath to ask you to leave. All they can do is ask you to leave.

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