bigdaddy1
Regular Member
If I am robbed while in a business that posts but not injured, I would assume that business would also be liable for my losses. Would that not be a reasonable assumption as there were no limitations listed?
I, on the other hand, don't think you'd have a leg to stand on trying to pin them with liability.
Their insurance would probably settle out of court with you as it would be a: good will , and b: cheaper than defending.
Typically businesses are only held liable if there was cause to believe something was likely to happen and they neglected to do anything to prevent it...like failing to clean up a spill.
That was the motivation for the immunity clause....otherwise down the road someone getting shot by a lawful carrier would have been able to claim the business should have done something to prevent it (ie posting).
There is no such thing as liability with out consequences.
With no offense intended, what are you trying to say here?
No offense taken, nor implied.
"I, on the other hand, don't think you'd have a leg to stand on trying to pin them with liability."
Your opening statement implies there is no liability. The law states there is liability. There are few other ways to read into your comment..
"Their insurance would probably settle out of court with you as it would be a: good will , and b: cheaper than defending"
Your second statement implies that IF there were a settlement it would be upon the graces of the insurance company. By posting that business is guaranteeing that patrons safety (hence the liability) and any settlement would be due to the negligence of that business for failing that duty.
If you are denying my choice of self defense you are responsible for my safety.
There is no such thing as liability without consequences.
By posting that business is guaranteeing that patrons safety (hence the liability) and any settlement would be due to the negligence of that business for failing that duty.
I gotta go with Bigdaddy1 on this one.
How is liability different? Well before the law was in effect we had limited ways to protect ourselves. Those limits were imposed by the state so the local business could not be held liable for limiting that right. Now the state has granted me the means to properly protect myself. If the store knowingly removes that right they are now liable to assume the responsibility to provide protection to me. If they fail to do so I can sue them and the law is on my side. This was explained in detail by a lawyer and insurance VP during a Green Bay Chamber of Commerce seminar on the new carry law. Not something I just pulled out of my ...
So you can say "no difference at all" but at least 2 lawyers, 1 insurance company and the GB Chamber disagree with you. Not saying your wrong, but I know the credentials of those guys so I'm going with them.
The result of not posting is statutory immunity from civil liability. It offers additional protection for businesses that choose not to post. It changes nothing for those that do.
I am interested to see how the insurance companies will react. Will rates differ for posted vs not posted businesses.
In a country where you can be successfully sued for serving a hot drink, what do you think would happen to a storekeeper who disarmed a customer who was then subsequently a shooting victim in the store?If a store owner left a weapon on the counter and someone grabbed it and used it...yeah, they would be liable.
If their employee attacks you unlawfully...they are liable.
If they used metal detectors or guards and a criminal got something past...they might be liable.
But to expect a store that doesnt screen everyone to assume liability for the actions of everyone who walks in? Are you serious?!?! What moron would be willing to run a business in that world?
In a country where you can be successfully sued for serving a hot drink, what do you think would happen to a storekeeper who disarmed a customer who was then subsequently a shooting victim in the store?