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    DOJ's suggested training cirriculum.

    School Property
    It is a felony to carry a firearm in a school or on the grounds of a school unless one of the following exceptions applies.18
    • For use in a program approved by a school in the school zone.
    • In accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual.
    • Carry by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity.
    • The firearm is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on the school premises is authorized by school authorities.
    The firearm is not loaded and is either encased or is in a locked firearms rack on a motor vehicle.
    • Carry by a state-certified commission warden acting in his or her official capacity.
    • Carry by a person legally hunting in a school forest if the school board has decided that hunting may be allowed in the school forest.
    I yanked this from one of the DOJ model curriculum documents. Does this mean I can have an unloaded encased firearm in my vehicle in the school parking lot while picking up my son?

    I could swear I saw posts recently stating under no circumstances are firearms on school property OK.

    I'm prepared to be flamed for beating a dead horse if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trip20 View Post
    I yanked this from one of the DOJ model curriculum documents. Does this mean I can have an unloaded encased firearm in my vehicle in the school parking lot while picking up my son?

    I could swear I saw posts recently stating under no circumstances are firearms on school property OK.

    I'm prepared to be flamed for beating a dead horse if necessary.
    So far the posts have covered it yes. Without CCL can't go within 1000 etc etc.. with CCL it removes distance but still cannot go on school property. I believe if you drive up on public road(with CCL) you should be alright otherwise your knowingly going within 1000 without a CCL. The little school roundabout drop-off thingers may be restricted though..

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    I stopped a block from my kids school today. Disarmed, unloaded, locked the gun in the center console of my truck and proceeded into the parking lot. 100% legal. I was unloaded and in a locked container before entering the school grounds. The lock box is easier for my but an unlocked case would work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcice
    Without CCL can't go within 1000' ...
    with CCL it removes distance but still cannot go on school property.
    Trip has it right (so does the DOJ).
    It would help if DOJ cited statutes, so citizens could read for themselves & be prepared for discussions & education...

    Without a license, can't have a useful firearm within 1000' unless on private property.
    With a license, can't have a useful firearm on school property.

    Both have exceptions for school-granted approval,
    AND
    for firearms that are unloaded & encased.


    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/RSB/STATS.HTML

    948.605 (2) Possession of firearm in school zone.

    (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is in or on the grounds of a school [felony]...
    [or] within 1,000 feet of the grounds of a school [fine]...

    (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm by any of the following:

    1m. A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B)
    (i) [private property not part of school grounds]
    (iv) [program approved by a school]
    (v) [contract with school]
    (vi) [on-duty LEO]
    or (vii) [unloaded, traversing property for hunting]

    3. That is not loaded and is:
    a. Encased


    FYI, notice that WI left out # (ii) [licensees] & (iii) [unloaded & in a locked case].
    Last edited by MKEgal; 11-30-2011 at 07:46 PM. Reason: formatting
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    I have a reading comprehension problem I'm sure. I do remember how the 1000' zone works in that it's negated with a permit. I'm thinking of those situations where I drive up in that round-about in front of the school and my son walks out and gets in the vehicle. My situation would be empty holster, pistol unloaded, in a case, and locked in the glove compartment (I do not have a trunk, it's an SUV). Am I OK? When I read what I quoted above, it appears so...

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    Your ok. In fact with those steps you would not need to lock it in the glove box. Unloaded in a case is enough.

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