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    The anti's are everywhere... Even here in the northwoods.

    My wife left for work a couple of hours ago. She just sent me a text message saying that there was a note in her mailbox stating that she is not allowed to have a weapon of any sort while at work.

    She works at Wild Eagle Lodge here in Eagle River. River Valley State Bank owns the property, however she is employed by IDM management group, the letter was issued by them.

    I am going to ask her if the attached Boondockers lounge is posted.

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    The same river valley bank that owes over $700million in TARP Bailouts

    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95 View Post
    My wife left for work a couple of hours ago. She just sent me a text message saying that there was a note in her mailbox stating that she is not allowed to have a weapon of any sort while at work.

    She works at Wild Eagle Lodge here in Eagle River. River Valley State Bank owns the property, however she is employed by IDM management group, the letter was issued by them.

    I am going to ask her if the attached Boondockers lounge is posted.
    So, this means no scissors, nail clippers, any aerosol spray can, a vehicle, the tools needed to change a tire on that same vehicle...............................

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    It's not River Valley policy, it's the management company. River Valley Bank is not posted. I was just there, and I work with them all the time on foreclosures (Wild Eagle was one). They own the property now through foreclosure (along with a BUNCH of others from same owner... most in St. Germain and a few in Phelps), but rather than just shut the doors and lose more money, they hired a management company to keep them running while they attempt to sell them. We're talking hundreds of rental units, restaurants, bars... and snowmobile season is right around the corner. The management company is not local to the northwoods AFAIK. If they do post all those properties, they're sh!t out of luck if they need any more of my services, cuz I won't disarm to do work there. My company policy (which I own ) is armed at all times.

    If she gets a CWL, your wife can have whatever she wants (that's legal to possess ) in her vehicle, on their property, and they cannot prohibit that. So can you. They cannot post the parking lots, only the buildings.
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    She asked me about the knife I gave her to keep in her purse. I told her to leave it in there. Nothing like an employer that prefers to employ potential victims. I'm going to make sure she has pepper spray as well. If it becomes an issue, she can get a different job as far as I'm concerned. If we didn't have kids to feed, I'd tell her to quit on the spot. I may still do that, I have to think about it a bit more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    So, this means no scissors, nail clippers, any aerosol spray can, a vehicle, the tools needed to change a tire on that same vehicle...............................
    Drills, hammers, screwdrivers, pliers.... hope they don't need any doors or locks fixed. I kinda got a monopoly on that around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    It's not River Valley policy, it's the management company. River Valley Bank is not posted. I was just there, and I work with them all the time on foreclosures (Wild Eagle was one). They own the property now through foreclosure (along with a BUNCH of others from same owner... most in St. Germain and a few in Phelps), but rather than just shut the doors and lose more money, they hired a management company to keep them running while they attempt to sell them. We're talking hundreds of rental units, restaurants, bars... and snowmobile season is right around the corner. The management company is not local to the northwoods AFAIK. If they do post all those properties, they're sh!t out of luck if they need any more of my services, cuz I won't disarm to do work there. My company policy (which I own ) is armed at all times.

    If she gets a CWL, your wife can have whatever she wants (that's legal to possess ) in her vehicle, on their property, and they cannot prohibit that.

    You posted as I was typing

    I am curious how well any local business will do in this area if they start to post. I've not seen very many as of yet.

    I mentioned the vehicle thing to her also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95 View Post
    She asked me about the knife I gave her to keep in her purse. I told her to leave it in there. Nothing like an employer that prefers to employ potential victims. I'm going to make sure she has pepper spray as well. If it becomes an issue, she can get a different job as far as I'm concerned. If we didn't have kids to feed, I'd tell her to quit on the spot. I may still do that, I have to think about it a bit more...
    Jobs are scarce in these parts... but if I hear of any openings I'll let you know. What does do? If it's front desk, Super 8 had a help wanted sign up last time I looked. Owner's name is Ron... good friend. Tell her to tell him I sent her. Use my username... he'll know who it is. It's the same as my license plate.

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    She does, in fact, work the front desk. I'll let her know about Super 8 as soon as she gets home tonight.

    Thanks, I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95 View Post
    You posted as I was typing

    I am curious how well any local business will do in this area if they start to post. I've not seen very many as of yet.

    I mentioned the vehicle thing to her also.
    The ONLY one I have seen was at the animal hospital by Derby Inn. Sign lasted 3 days after I discussed it with them in the 1st week the law was in effect. I've been taking my pets there since '91, and they all know me. And they've been my customer just as long.

    My wife works at 1st National... not posting. Never even mentioned by anyone, so she asked at my request if they intended to. "NO", was the emphatic answer... followed by "that's dumb, we don't worry about our customers who get permits". Several of her fellow employees have asked me for training recommendations for their CWL in last few months since the law passed.

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    I noticed that the Ministry Medical Building in town is posted also. I had to turn around at the door and put my 1911 in my vehicle so I could go in to the Lab on Wednesday.

    I'm glad to hear that 1st National will not post, as I do my banking there.
    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr View Post
    "that's dumb, we don't worry about our customers who get permits"
    If only everyone had such a logical thought process...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95 View Post
    She does, in fact, work the front desk. I'll let her know about Super 8 as soon as she gets home tonight.

    Thanks, I appreciate it.
    Same guy owns Eagle River Inn & Riverdale Motel, and the owner of Derby Inn, Alan D., is a friend too. The manager at Days Inn, Bob, is too. They all know me by my user name here... it's my "nickname", because it's part of my job. If any are hiring, she can use my "name" at any of them. I know it doesn't pay much, but my daughter works at McDonalds. They're always hiring. She's been there 3 years and is scheduled for manager training soon. Better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95 View Post
    I noticed that the Ministry Medical Building in town is posted also. I had to turn around at the door and put my 1911 in my vehicle so I could go in to the Lab on Wednesday.

    I'm glad to hear that 1st National will not post, as I do my banking there.
    If only everyone had such a logical thought process...
    Ministry's been posted since they opened. Forgot about them. So is the hospital. Always has been since I've lived here. They won't even allow cell-phones in the building (I suppose there's some reason for that... radio interferance with equipment, I was told). But I haven't seen any "new" postings due to Act 35. Especially businesses in town here, and elsewhere. I was at Fleet Farm in Antigo yesterday... they have a sign "Welcoming" concealed carry permit holders, hanging on the wall right inside the door.

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    I hope there's no assault weapons in their landscaping...

    (oops, I would have typed rocks, but I have been hit in the head with one once in an attempted mugging while I was working and know better now)

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    Question: is it an employee policy (which is bad enough), or are they posting?
    Quote Originally Posted by safcrkr
    they hired a management company to keep them running while they attempt to sell them. We're talking hundreds of rental units, restaurants, bars... and snowmobile season is right around the corner. The management company is not local to the northwoods AFAIK
    If they're posting the properties, instead of "only" making an employee policy, suggest an assortment of people explain to them, politely & after using spellcheck / grammar check, that their new policy is bad for business, as well as that they've given up their immunity from liability.
    And if it is "only" an employee policy, again, explain that loss of immunity concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by stickbow95
    She works at Wild Eagle Lodge here in Eagle River. River Valley State Bank owns the property, however she is employed by IDM management group, the letter was issued by them.
    Is this them: http://www.inndevmgmt.com/
    10 S Water St. E; Fort Atkinson, WI; 53538
    Phone: 920.563.0133

    From their "people" page:

    Craig Neddersen - President
    cneddersen@inndevmgmt.com
    920.691.1056

    Connie Barbian - Partner, Business Development and Marketing
    cbarbian@inndevmgmt.com
    920.691.1045

    Sean Skellie - Vice President of Business Analysis
    sskellie@inndevmgmt.com
    920.691.1057

    Becky Rogers - Director of Hotel Operations
    brogers@inndevmgmt.com
    920.691.1058

    Chris Nelson-Jeffers - Corporate Revenue Manager
    cnelsonjeffers@inndevmgmt.com.com
    920.691.1059

    If the properties are being posted, might also contact the bank to explain how the policy implemented by their hired help will lose the bank money by turning away customers & leaving them without immunity from liability.
    https://www.rivervalleybank.com/index.cfm?pid=1
    customer service toll free: 1.888.842.0221
    Local office: 141 S Willow St.; PO Box 2350; Eagle River, WI; 54521
    715-477-6206

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    Lightbulb Wait...My Understanding Is An Employer Can NOT Prohibit Weapons In Vehicles....

    whether that person has a license to conceal or not. I thought ACT 35 prevented an employer from prohibiting anyone from keeping a weapon in their vehicle...employee or not.

    Did I miss something?

    Tell the anti's to pack sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    whether that person has a license to conceal or not. I thought ACT 35 prevented an employer from prohibiting anyone from keeping a weapon in their vehicle...employee or not.

    Did I miss something?

    Tell the anti's to pack sand.
    175.60(15m)(b)An employer may not prohibit a licensee or an out-of-state licensee, as a condition of employment, from carrying a concealed weapon, a particular type of concealed weapon, or ammunition or from storing a weapon, a particular type of weapon, or ammunition in the licensee's or out-of-state licensee's own motor vehicle, regardless of whether the motor vehicle is used in the course of employment or whether the motor vehicle is driven or parked on property used by the employer.
    Sorry. My employer requested that I show them my license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Sorry. My employer requested that I show them my license.
    what?! get an F'in warrant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Sorry. My employer requested that I show them my license.
    Yea but he probably just wanted to see what one looked like

    At least I hope so



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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    what?! get an F'in warrant!
    Might as well get it over with now then having another employee see him store his firearm and cause a huge stink. As has been pointed out, you have to be a licensee to enjoy the protection.

    It sucks but I didn't write the law, if I did it would have been less then one page repealing some laws and costing nothing.

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    I feel the law is misunderstood on this part........................

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason in WI View Post
    Might as well get it over with now then having another employee see him store his firearm and cause a huge stink. As has been pointed out, you have to be a licensee to enjoy the protection.

    It sucks but I didn't write the law, if I did it would have been less then one page repealing some laws and costing nothing.

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    I am not getting this "need to have a license to keep a gun in your vehicle" as posted many times, laws as written do not say what is allowed, they say what is disallowed, and nowhere in this law does it say only a licensee can keep a gun in a vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    I am not getting this "need to have a license to keep a gun in your vehicle" as posted many times, laws as written do not say what is allowed, they say what is disallowed, and nowhere in this law does it say only a licensee can keep a gun in a vehicle.
    I hope I am misunderstanding you. The law does say that an employer may not stop someone who has a license from having a firearm in the vehicle which means that the employer may require you to have a license to store a firearm in the vehicle. For a citation, read my post 16

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...=1#post1660615

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I hope I am misunderstanding you. The law does say that an employer may not stop someone who has a license from having a firearm in the vehicle which means that the employer may require you to have a license to store a firearm in the vehicle. For a citation, read my post 16

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...=1#post1660615
    I know you meant to say this also... only IF the vehicle is parked on the employer's property. Parked on the public street, employer has no say as to what you can have in your personal vehicle, no more than what you can have at home. Their "jurisdiction" ends at their property line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I hope I am misunderstanding you. The law does say that an employer may not stop someone who has a license from having a firearm in the vehicle which means that the employer may require you to have a license to store a firearm in the vehicle. For a citation, read my post 16

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...=1#post1660615
    Paul, I believe you are assuming the law only applies to license holders, nowhere am I seeing that the law differentiates between licensed and non-licensed people when it comes to having a weapon in a vehicle on your employers property.
    In other words, Show me where it states that people who do not hold a valid license cannot have a weapon in their vehicle.

    Look at it this way, there was no law in Wisconsin that stated that it is legal to open-carry, the law instead does not have anything that says that you cannot open carry. Therefore open-carry is legal, right?
    I figured this would still be fresh in peoples minds since our rights to O-C have been reaffirmed such a short time ago.

    Laws do not spell out what we have the legal ability to do, instead they spell out what we should not do.
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    Lightbulb Interesting Thoughts....

    To add to what others have stated....Let's say I am an employee and my employer knows I open/conceal carry....then the employer can ask me to not bring a gun to his/her property unless I have said concealed carry license (to store firearm in car during working hours). OK....now let's say I am NOT an employee....there is no law that prohibits me from keeping my firearm in my vehicle on the property while I spend my money in their store.

    My point is even if an employer can prohibit an employee from keeping a firearm on their property (without a CWL) they cannot prohibit a non-employee...ie customer.

    Am I missing something? Besides, how will an employer know a person even owns a firearm unless that person tells them??
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    Workplace rights

    At our annual "Sexual Harassment" meeting we were given a printout concerning "weapons" on company property. It basically says that unless you have a CWP you are NOT allowed to have weapons, ammunition or explosives on company property. And if you do have the permit, these items must always be concealed within a securely locked vehicle.

    So for anyone not paying for a CWP, they have no rights to defend themselves. I can see where this could very easily end up in court. It further states that anyone "suspected" of having a weapon "may be asked to disclose their personal property for inspection". I guess anyone with the financial backing could really cause some problems here.
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