Thread: wow wallmart is rude
please view this video and tell me what you think.
i o/c my xdm45 to wally world in taylor and lincoln park all the time. have any one else had a problem like this at wallmart.
i think this has happened rarely in michigan walmarts, but more frequently in meijer (happened to me)
Last edited by smellslikemichigan; 12-02-2011 at 10:08 PM.
Walmart follows state law i believe, at least last i knew
Either way, being asked to leave has become somewhat of a rare occurrence these days given how popular OC is now.
not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.
Walmarts policy with regard to firearms is to follow state and local law, but I have yet to see this policy in writing. Meijer doesn't have a policy and so it's up to the store manager to decide.
correct, meijer leaves it up to the individual store, they are under the mistaken impression that counties in michigan are allowed to set their own firearms laws
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Im not a lawyer, but I did play a Klingon once at Universal Studios
I've seen this stated many a time and I do not think those who say it really understand what it means because.....they follow state and local law
There are many laws governing the carrying of a pistol and a private property business can state that they follow each and every one of them and actually follow them. But that does NOT mean a person legally carrying a gun, whether openly or under the umbrella of a CPL, can automatically carry that gun in or on the premises of that business because.........
THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931
750.552 Trespass upon lands or premises of another; violation; penalty.Sec. 552.
(1) A person shall not do any of the following:
(a) Enter the lands or premises of another without lawful authority after having been forbidden so to do by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant.
(b) Remain without lawful authority on the land or premises of another after being notified to depart by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant.
full text of this law can be read here:
And what that means is very simple... a private property business owner or his agent can require anyone (with the exception of a few legally protected classes of people) to leave the premises at any time for any reason. And that reason can be the carrying of a gun if the owner/representative so wishes it to be.
Hence.... a business can say they follow State and local laws and be perfectly truthful as they require a gun carrier to leave because.... the trespass law is a State law and they would be following State and local law.... as they throw the gun carrier out.
And you can rest assured that ever since open carry became main stream through the media that every business owner/manager from the big box stores down to Mom & Pop's little whistle stop are very well aware of every aspect of this "follow State and local laws" thing............
Now the question for the business owner would be whether throwing someone out who isn't breaking any laws and who's behavior is not threatening or out of the ordinary ... and who will surely get on the internet and inform all the other folks just like him resulting in lost sales/cash flow/profit ... for no reason other than they are carrying a gun is a good business decision.
The good thing is the rarity of folks getting thrown out of businesses both big and small shows that businesses recognize that those who carry guns either under the State's permission of a permit or honestly and unashamedly out in the open are predominately responsible honorable people.... and those businesses understand the "less customers = less profit" equation very well.
Last edited by Bikenut; 12-04-2011 at 07:48 PM.
Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.
That manager had amazing patience. Right or wrong, you gotta give him that.
California is a communist state? You don't like the state laws, calling people names isn't the way to solve that. I wouldn't want this guy as a poster child for OC.
The guy needs to build some support at home. His wife was screaming obscenities at him for bringing the gun into the store?
Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.
I am not a lawyer (merely an omnipotent member of a continuum). The contents of this post are not a substitute for sound legal advice from a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.
Comments and views stated in my post are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of Michigan Open Carry, Inc. unless stated otherwise in the post.
Ignorance of your Rights has always been a problem in CA and many other states,including MI.OCers are a rare class of citizens who know our Rights and the laws pertaining to the exercising of our Rights,and the unconstitutionality of those laws.Our duty as Free Citizens is to educate, to the point of Understanding,our fellow Citizens! CARRY ON!
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I use the same exact recorder.
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