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"Guns on campus" Point/Counterpoint, Roanoke Times. COMMENTS NEEDED!

paramedic70002

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http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable...guns-on-campus/comment-page-1/#comment-125263


Colin Goddard:


"Since getting shot almost 5 years ago at Virginia Tech, I’ve heard this line quite often: “If just one student at Virginia Tech would have been carrying a gun on April16, 2007, people’s lives would have been saved.”:arrow: I could not even understand what was happening until that first bullet hit above my knee,:shocker::uhoh: so the certainty of the above statement is difficult to grasp.:eek::banghead:It’s easy to think “yes” when you’re calmly reading the newspaper, imagining hypothetical scenarios in your head, but it’s entirely different when you’re in the most stressful situation of your life."
 

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I'm not a Virginian, but I certainly will enjoy reading the points and counter-points that your thread will elicit from our members.
 
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Classic anti-gun dialog:

Us: Facts presented in a logical, coherent manner.

Them: AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

Us: More facts presented in a logical, coherent manner.

Them: AARRRGGGHHH!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING AND THE WORLD WILL END!!!!


Typical. It's a wonder they don't simply get bored and go home.

TFred
 

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The fact that Mr. Goddard's Situational Awareness is so deficient that he didn't even know what gunfire sounded like or meant until he was hit with a bullet should automatically discount ANYTHING he has to say on the matter. He is such a clueless, unaware sheeple that his discernment, logic, self-preservation instinct and problem-solving abilities are barely quantifiable as being in the functional human range...

I pity him.

And I pray that he will will see the error of his ways before he is ultimately judged by whatever deity he believes in, for his treasonous, treacherous, Liberty-hating alignment with the Brady Campaign.
 

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As a heads up, they are moderating comments on that story. I submitted one this morning from a browser on my Windows machine, and when I pulled up the story to check on it in my Linux VM (different IP), my comment wasn't there. When I pull it back up in the original browser, it is. It's likely waiting for their "approval".
 

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The fact that Mr. Goddard's Situational Awareness is so deficient that he didn't even know what gunfire sounded like or meant until he was hit with a bullet should automatically discount ANYTHING he has to say on the matter.

Well, now seriously. Do you think everyone knows what gunfire sounds like? It doesn't sound anything like what it sounds like on TV or in movies.
I never knew what gunfire sounded like until I went to the range as part of my basic firearms class for the first time. How would I have known? I've never fired a gun and no one ever offered to teach me or let me observe them before.

from the article
We are all entitled to live in a society where dangerous weapons are not allowed to be made so easily available.

So should we stop selling steak knives and pocket knives at the grocery store, Walmart, Target and 7-11? Those are dangerous weapons too. :confused: :rolleyes:
 

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Alyson did an EXCELLENT job of presenting her points cogently and succinctly. She also knows, obviously, what a "rebuttal" is and how to format it.

I'm very happy to see some college graduates can think and write.
 

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The REAL Colin Goddard

If nothing else, it seems Colin outed himself with his rebuttal:
Let’s clarify some of the realities of this debate to permit loaded, concealed weapons on our college campuses:

1. Concealed weapons would be allowed in classrooms, dormitories, science labs, hospitals, daycares, athletic events, tailgates, job interviews, and various judicial and tenure hearings located on campus.
2. The minimum standard in place to obtain a concealed carry permit in Virginia is having an internet connection, watching a 20 minute video, answering a 15 question quiz, and mailing it away. You do not ever have to hold a firearm in your hand to be considered “trained” and “competent” to handle one loaded and concealed in public.
3. Simultaneously, the special-interest groups lobbying for guns on campus by “licensed, trained permit holders age 21 or older” are also lobbying to drop the minimum age to 18 and remove any licensing and training from the permit process.

The realities of this argument are dangerous and irresponsible.

It is unrealistic to look at gun violence so narrowly. It is not isolated to our classrooms; it permeates our streets, our homes, our workplaces and even our Safeway Grocery stores. We need solutions that make all Virginians safer, whether at college or not.

[size=+1]We are all entitled to live in a society where dangerous weapons are not allowed to be made so easily available.[/size]

It certainly is clear now that Goddard is a rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth Hoplophobe.
 

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Christian Trejbal offers a comment on "training"

At comment #32:
You are incorrect on at least one point. In order to receive a concealed carry permit in Virginia, one need not have hands on practice that demonstrates you are capable of operating a firearm. In 2009, the General Assembly changed the law so that passing an online course (with multiple choice exam) satisfies the competency demonstration. On can receive a concealed carry permit in Virginia without ever having touched a gun.

It he similarly concerned about LEOs being properly trained? There is no requirement in the Code of Virginia that law enforcement be highly trained in the lawful carry and use of deadly weapons. Would he support such a law?
 

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I am still confused... I read about the 'pressure cooker' that is a major university and how students have no control and no ethics and only drink massive quantities of alcohol.

They write this about their own children. I have a degree, attended college, worked, played, drank a little bit but I am still confused by the characterization of college age adults.

If I for once thought I had not raised my children with at least a little common sense and understanding they would not be going to college, I would send them into the military because I had failed.

If I thought my children were only drinking then I wouldn't be paying for that waste of time.

I am confused at what these people think of themselves or their children.
 

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My dad had several college degrees, I have several College degrees, I have children with college degrees, I know dad never did a lot of drinking and I never did a lot of drinking, and I am fairly sure none of my daughters did either, when we were in College. It is not that we never had a beer or two, but no drunken parties...they are expensive, and hard on grades,

If some like Colin Goddard (awfull British sounding name don't you think?) spend all their college time drinking, then maybe they should not carry, don't you think?
 
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So should we stop selling steak knives and pocket knives at the grocery store, Walmart, Target and 7-11? Those are dangerous weapons too. :confused: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Check the laws in the U.K. They have banned most pocket knives and the steak knives all have rounded points. That could be our future if we're not careful.
 

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Well, now seriously. Do you think everyone knows what gunfire sounds like?
Anyone who has fired a gun would.
If I for once thought I had not raised my children with at least a little common sense and understanding they would not be going to college, I would send them into the military because I had failed.
I am struggling to see how someone morally, emotionally or psychologically unfit to attend college could benefit from military, umm, "service".
If some like Colin Goddard (awfull British sounding name don't you think?) spend all their college time drinking, then maybe they should not carry, don't you think?
It's the psychological phenomenon known as "projection" and it is the most broadly identifiable argument style presented by the antis.
 

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Steeler-gal said:
Well, now seriously. Do you think everyone knows what gunfire sounds like?

Anyone who has fired a gun would.
Unless I misunerstood his side of the point/counterpoint, he had never fired a gun before. So, I don't think he would have known what real gun fire sounded like. Like I said before, IMO it doesn't sound anything like TV or movies.
 

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Except that Goddard swears he has fired guns before. Even admits to owning (or having owned) guns.

He is an a-typical anti in that he seems to truly believe that he is not "anti". He just wants to make sure our rights are well-regulated so we don't use them to freely.

What a turd. Either he's a fargan liar (likely) or his SA is cr@p (also likely). Either way, it is sheer LUCK that he is even alive.
 

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Except that Goddard swears he has fired guns before. Even admits to owning (or having owned) guns. He has, among other things, bought multiple firearms from multiple sellers in a single day. He at one time posted video of buying long guns after stating to the seller that he did not have ID - but he never stated he was prohibited. He just has not admitted to purchasing multiple handguns in violation of the "One Handgun a Month" law.

He is an a-typical anti in that he seems to truly believe that he is not "anti". He just wants to make sure our rights are well-regulated so we don't use them to freely. I believe we have arrived at the truth of the matter.

What a turd. Either he's a fargan liar (likely) or his SA is cr@p (also likely). According to his testimony his SA was quite satisfactory - he saw Cho coming and was well aware of what to expect from him. Either way, it is sheer LUCK that he is even alive.
It may seem sardonic, but the problem is not Goddard's luck but Cho's lack of skill. That and the refusal of anybody to decide that since they were going to die/be wounded anyway they might as well try to take out the shooter on their way to their fate. Yes, it is pure speculation but other shooters have offed themselves at the first sign of resistance so it is not out of the realm of probability to think Cho might have done the same. We'll never know for sure unless a/several potential victims decide to try and resist even if it's only by swinging bookbags.

stay safe.
 
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