I appreciate your sharing them with us.
Thread: How to respond to church carry
I have been a member of the forums a while and I read up on threads. I see the threads about why should someone carry in a church or what should someone say if they are carrying while at church. Well here is my .02 cents worth.
Someone:"Why are you carrying that firearm in a church!"
Your Reply:"Do you think I would be sitting here with my firearm if GOD didn't want me to?"
Someone:"Why do you feel you need to carry in a church? If you believe in GOD don't you think he will protect you from harm?"
Your Reply:"I pray to GOD that I never need to use my firearm but if someone were to try and cause harm to myself and others I pray that he would use me as a tool to protect myself and others from those who don't care who or what they harm."
Hope this gives you something to help further your 2A or OC discussion.
I appreciate your sharing them with us.
Proud Veteran ~ U.S. Army / Army Reserve
Mississippi State Guard ~ Honorably Retired
Soooooo.....if the church bans it, via state law, what then? You carry anyway and the heck with the church or state laws, change churches? Just asking.
RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!
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2nd amendment says.... "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"
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in the meantime....I'll just leave this here
EDIT: On a serious note if someone challenges you carrying you should hit them with this
February 14, 2010 - Richmond, California - Three hooded men
walk into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ and opened
fire and then fled the scene, as the singing of the choir
was replaced by frightened screams. The two victims, a 14-
year-old boy and a 19-year-old man, were hospitalized.
March 8, 2009 - Maryville, Illinois - Suspect Terry Joe
Sedlacek, 27, of Troy, walks into the First Baptist Church,
and shoots pastor Fred Winters dead, point blank. Several
church members are injured by a knife in the struggle to
capture after the attack, The suspect also had stabbed
himself, but survived, when his gun jams.
July 27, 2008 - Knoxville, Tennessee - A gunman opens fire
in a church during a youth performance, killing two people
and injuring seven.
Dec. 9, 2007 - Colorado - Three people are killed and five
wounded in two shooting rampages, one at a missionary
school in suburban Denver and one at a church in Colorado
Springs. The gunman in the second incident is killed by a
May 20, 2007 - Moscow, Idaho - A standoff between police
and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a
Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one
Aug. 12, 2007 - Neosho, Missouri - First Congregational
Church - 3 killed - Eiken Elam Saimon shot and killed the
pastor and two deacons and wounded five others.
May 21, 2006 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana - The Ministry of
Jesus Christ Church - 4 killed - The four at the church who
were shot were members of Erica Bell's family; she was
abducted and murdered elsewhere; Bell's mother, church
pastor Claudia Brown, was seriously wounded - Anthony Bell,
25, was the shooter.
Feb. 26, 2006 - Detroit, Michigan - Zion Hope Missionary
Baptist Church - 2 killed + shooter - Kevin L. Collins, who
reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend,
later killed himself.
April 9, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - A 27-year-old
airman died after being shot at a church, where he had once
worked as a security guard.
March 12, 2005 - Brookfield, Wisconsin - Living Church of
God - 7 killed + shooter - Terry Ratzmann opened fire on
the congregation, killing seven and wounding four before
taking his own life.
July 30, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - World Changers
Church International - shooter killed - Air Force Staff
Sgt. John Givens was shot five times by a police officer
after charging the officer, following violent behavior.
Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif.: A veteran musician at
the Crystal Cathedral shoots himself to death after a nine
Oct. 5, 2003 - Atlanta, Georgia - Turner Monumental AME
Church - 2 killed + shooter - Shelia Wilson walked into the
church while preparations are being made for service and
shot the pastor, her mother and then herself.
June 10, 2002 - Conception, Missouri - Benedictine
monastery - 2 killed + shooter - Lloyd Robert Jeffress shot
four monks in the monastery killing two and wounding two,
before killing himself.
March 12, 2002 - Lynbrook, New York - Our Lady of Peace
Catholic Church - 2 killed - Peter Troy, a former mental
patient, opens fire during Mass, killing the priest and a
parishioner. He later receives a life sentence.
May 18, 2001 - Hopkinsville, Kentucky - Greater Oak
Missionary Baptist Church - 2 killed - Frederick Radford
stood up in the middle of a revival service and began
shooting at his estranged wife, Nicole Radford, killing her
and a woman trying to help her.
Sept. 15, 1999 - Fort Worth, Texas - Wedgewood Baptist
Church - 7 killed + shooter - Larry Gene Ashbrook shot dead
seven people and injured a further seven at a concert by
Christian rock group Forty Days in Fort Worth, Texas before
April 15, 1999 - Salt Lake City, Utah - LDS Church Family
History Library - 2 killed + shooter - Sergei Babarin, 70,
with a history of mental illness, entered the library,
killed two people and wounded four others before he was
gunned down by police.
Last edited by Schlitz; 12-05-2011 at 06:48 PM.
“The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
[Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
“There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
[Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]
OUTSTANDING, Schlitz! Two church staffers in my church know I carry. One is very pragmatic about it, "I've gotten to know you, and I see no problem with it." The other is leery and a neophyte when it comes to arms, 2A, and our founding fathers. He is both of the mindset that "God will protect us" while failing to realize it is God who allowed the Israelites to fortify the walls of their cities and make arms for defense in battle.
Your list will do one of three things:
1. Go a long way towards convincing him that my carrying in church is in the best interests of myself and others around me.
2. Should he raise the issue to our elders, go a long way towards convincing them that my carrying in church is in the best interests of myself and others around me.
3. Should he convince the rest of them to balk, go a long way towards convincing me that I'm attending a church with a death wish. New Life learned their lesson the hard way. I can only hope they adopt the lesson New Life learned. If not, it's time to find a more sane church.
Here in MO, it is prohibited; however, not a criminal offense if discovered. If you are asked to leave, you leave...if you don't then the LEOs arrive and ask you to leave; then this opens the doors for trespassing charges. If the pastor has given you permission, then you are ok.
Last edited by Redbaron007; 12-07-2011 at 09:10 AM.