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    How to respond to church carry

    I have been a member of the forums a while and I read up on threads. I see the threads about why should someone carry in a church or what should someone say if they are carrying while at church. Well here is my .02 cents worth.

    Someone:"Why are you carrying that firearm in a church!"
    Your Reply:"Do you think I would be sitting here with my firearm if GOD didn't want me to?"

    Someone:"Why do you feel you need to carry in a church? If you believe in GOD don't you think he will protect you from harm?"
    Your Reply:"I pray to GOD that I never need to use my firearm but if someone were to try and cause harm to myself and others I pray that he would use me as a tool to protect myself and others from those who don't care who or what they harm."

    Hope this gives you something to help further your 2A or OC discussion.

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    Interesting perspectives.

    I appreciate your sharing them with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Interesting perspectives.

    I appreciate your sharing them with us.
    Just started thinking of what I might say to someone who might ask similiar questions. Thought others would enjoy a possible new look on the traditional 'carry to defend yourself, and because its your 2a right.'

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    Soooooo.....if the church bans it, via state law, what then? You carry anyway and the heck with the church or state laws, change churches? Just asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    Soooooo.....if the church bans it, via state law, what then? You carry anyway and the heck with the church or state laws, change churches? Just asking.
    Goes right to PERSONAL CHOICE and SENSE of RESPONSIBILITY

    Also, this forum has rules precluding VIOLATIONS OF LAW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyOrangeJuice View Post
    Someone:"Why do you feel you need to carry in a church? If you believe in GOD don't you think he will protect you from harm?"
    Me: "I pray to God that He will protect me wherever I'm at, but I still wear a seatbelt, check the batteries in my smoke detectors, and eat healthy food. Luke 4:12."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhenn View Post
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    By the time I hit reply I see the moderator message lol, you're fast.

    in the meantime....I'll just leave this here





    EDIT: On a serious note if someone challenges you carrying you should hit them with this

    February 14, 2010 - Richmond, California - Three hooded men
    walk into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ and opened
    fire and then fled the scene, as the singing of the choir
    was replaced by frightened screams. The two victims, a 14-
    year-old boy and a 19-year-old man, were hospitalized.

    March 8, 2009 - Maryville, Illinois - Suspect Terry Joe
    Sedlacek, 27, of Troy, walks into the First Baptist Church,
    and shoots pastor Fred Winters dead, point blank. Several
    church members are injured by a knife in the struggle to
    capture after the attack, The suspect also had stabbed
    himself, but survived, when his gun jams.

    July 27, 2008 - Knoxville, Tennessee - A gunman opens fire
    in a church during a youth performance, killing two people
    and injuring seven.

    Dec. 9, 2007 - Colorado - Three people are killed and five
    wounded in two shooting rampages, one at a missionary
    school in suburban Denver and one at a church in Colorado
    Springs. The gunman in the second incident is killed by a
    guard.

    May 20, 2007 - Moscow, Idaho - A standoff between police
    and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a
    Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one
    police officer.

    Aug. 12, 2007 - Neosho, Missouri - First Congregational
    Church - 3 killed - Eiken Elam Saimon shot and killed the
    pastor and two deacons and wounded five others.

    May 21, 2006 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana - The Ministry of
    Jesus Christ Church - 4 killed - The four at the church who
    were shot were members of Erica Bell's family; she was
    abducted and murdered elsewhere; Bell's mother, church
    pastor Claudia Brown, was seriously wounded - Anthony Bell,
    25, was the shooter.

    Feb. 26, 2006 - Detroit, Michigan - Zion Hope Missionary
    Baptist Church - 2 killed + shooter - Kevin L. Collins, who
    reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend,
    later killed himself.

    April 9, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - A 27-year-old
    airman died after being shot at a church, where he had once
    worked as a security guard.

    March 12, 2005 - Brookfield, Wisconsin - Living Church of
    God - 7 killed + shooter - Terry Ratzmann opened fire on
    the congregation, killing seven and wounding four before
    taking his own life.

    July 30, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - World Changers
    Church International - shooter killed - Air Force Staff
    Sgt. John Givens was shot five times by a police officer
    after charging the officer, following violent behavior.

    Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif.: A veteran musician at
    the Crystal Cathedral shoots himself to death after a nine
    -hour standoff.

    Oct. 5, 2003 - Atlanta, Georgia - Turner Monumental AME
    Church - 2 killed + shooter - Shelia Wilson walked into the
    church while preparations are being made for service and
    shot the pastor, her mother and then herself.

    June 10, 2002 - Conception, Missouri - Benedictine
    monastery - 2 killed + shooter - Lloyd Robert Jeffress shot
    four monks in the monastery killing two and wounding two,
    before killing himself.

    March 12, 2002 - Lynbrook, New York - Our Lady of Peace
    Catholic Church - 2 killed - Peter Troy, a former mental
    patient, opens fire during Mass, killing the priest and a
    parishioner. He later receives a life sentence.

    May 18, 2001 - Hopkinsville, Kentucky - Greater Oak
    Missionary Baptist Church - 2 killed - Frederick Radford
    stood up in the middle of a revival service and began
    shooting at his estranged wife, Nicole Radford, killing her
    and a woman trying to help her.

    Sept. 15, 1999 - Fort Worth, Texas - Wedgewood Baptist
    Church - 7 killed + shooter - Larry Gene Ashbrook shot dead
    seven people and injured a further seven at a concert by
    Christian rock group Forty Days in Fort Worth, Texas before
    killing himself.

    April 15, 1999 - Salt Lake City, Utah - LDS Church Family
    History Library - 2 killed + shooter - Sergei Babarin, 70,
    with a history of mental illness, entered the library,
    killed two people and wounded four others before he was
    gunned down by police.
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    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    OUTSTANDING, Schlitz! Two church staffers in my church know I carry. One is very pragmatic about it, "I've gotten to know you, and I see no problem with it." The other is leery and a neophyte when it comes to arms, 2A, and our founding fathers. He is both of the mindset that "God will protect us" while failing to realize it is God who allowed the Israelites to fortify the walls of their cities and make arms for defense in battle.

    Your list will do one of three things:

    1. Go a long way towards convincing him that my carrying in church is in the best interests of myself and others around me.

    2. Should he raise the issue to our elders, go a long way towards convincing them that my carrying in church is in the best interests of myself and others around me.

    3. Should he convince the rest of them to balk, go a long way towards convincing me that I'm attending a church with a death wish. New Life learned their lesson the hard way. I can only hope they adopt the lesson New Life learned. If not, it's time to find a more sane church.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Goes right to PERSONAL CHOICE and SENSE of RESPONSIBILITY

    Also, this forum has rules precluding VIOLATIONS OF LAW.
    Since I'm not familar with the carry regs in Utah, what is their stance on one carrying in church -OC and/or CCW?

    Here in MO, it is prohibited; however, not a criminal offense if discovered. If you are asked to leave, you leave...if you don't then the LEOs arrive and ask you to leave; then this opens the doors for trespassing charges. If the pastor has given you permission, then you are ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    Soooooo.....if the church bans it, via state law, what then? You carry anyway and the heck with the church or state laws, change churches? Just asking.
    I would not break any laws. If something above were to happen I would have to go with the flow and see where I end up.

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