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    Terrorist Congress Declares War on American People

    Just in case any of you have been under a rock recently:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQExM...layer_embedded

    Call your senator and tell them that "High treason is criminal disloyalty to one's government" and laws outlawing our 4th amendment fit into that category. Conspiracy to violate the 4th amendment is a CRIME. I am freaking PISSED and McCaskill and Blunt belong in JAIL, and I am calling them here in a bit to tell them so.

    McCaskill 202-224-6154
    Blunt 202-224-5721

    (on speed dial)

    Please take time to let them know. I am risking it and I have 9 children. Can you do less?

    Thanks!!
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    I'm not shocked that McCaskill voted for it but I am Bond. I thought he was on our side?

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    More of Captain Bull$#!t's agitprop to get the malcontents out here squealing about a falling sky.
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    I'll ask again here (in the third thread): Can anyone cite the specific language in the bill that they fear, or are we all just jumping on the bandwagon of fear created by unsubstantiated claims of what the bill will do?

    Read for yourselves and think for yourselves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I'll ask again here (in the third thread): Can anyone cite the specific language in the bill that they fear, or are we all just jumping on the bandwagon of fear created by unsubstantiated claims of what the bill will do?
    Perhaps, if we're lucky, one of the three will cite what you've been asking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Perhaps, if we're lucky, one of the three will cite what you've been asking for.
    By all means, don't bother to download and read it yourselves. I found the PASSED copy (I believe) and here are the 2 sections under scrutiny. It appears that citizens have been excluded, but there is a waiver section just before that that gives discretion to top officials which does not appear to contradict the citizen exclusion. I am still reading through the rest of the 926 page doc but this is all I found so far. Hopefully, this covers the citizen exclusion and puts us in the safe zone.

    If this is the correct final document (still unconfirmed), then the people who have been citing our danger after reading it need a reading comprehension class. It APPEARS as if their fears are unfounded. But I still have 400+ pages to read and find conflicting verbage so who knows...

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...112s1867es.pdf
    Page 426 on...

    Subtitle D—Detainee Matters
    16 SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED
    17 FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN
    18 COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AU19
    THORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
    20 (a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the author21
    ity of the President to use all necessary and appropriate
    22 force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military
    23 Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the
    24 Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered per427
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    1 sons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition
    2 under the law of war.
    3 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under
    4 this section is any person as follows:
    5 (1) A person who planned, authorized, com6
    mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred
    7 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those respon8
    sible for those attacks.
    9 (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
    10 supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
    11 that are engaged in hostilities against the United
    12 States or its coalition partners, including any person
    13 who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
    14 supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
    15 forces.
    16 (c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The dis17
    position of a person under the law of war as described
    18 in subsection (a) may include the following:
    19 (1) Detention under the law of war without
    20 trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the
    21 Authorization for Use of Military Force.
    22 (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United
    23 States Code (as amended by the Military Commis24
    sions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111–
    25 84)).
    428
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    1 (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or
    2 competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
    3 (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the
    4 person’s country of origin, any other foreign coun5
    try, or any other foreign entity.
    6 (d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is in7
    tended to limit or expand the authority of the President
    8 or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military
    9 Force.
    10 (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
    11 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
    12 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
    13 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
    14 captured or arrested in the United States.
    15 (f) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
    16 The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress
    17 regarding the application of the authority described in this
    18 section, including the organizations, entities, and individ19
    uals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of
    20 subsection (b)(2).
    21 SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
    22 (a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF
    23 WAR.—
    24 (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in para25
    graph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States
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    1 shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who
    2 is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by
    3 the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public
    4 Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition
    5 under the law of war.
    6 (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in
    7 paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose de8
    tention is authorized under section 1031 who is de9
    termined—
    10 (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-
    11 Qaeda or an associated force that acts in co12
    ordination with or pursuant to the direction of
    13 al-Qaeda; and
    14 (B) to have participated in the course of
    15 planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
    16 attack against the United States or its coalition
    17 partners.
    18 (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For
    19 purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a per20
    son under the law of war has the meaning given in
    21 section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise
    22 described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be
    23 made unless consistent with the requirements of sec24
    tion 1033.
    430
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    1 (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The
    2 Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the
    3 Secretary of State and the Director of National In4
    telligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if
    5 the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in
    6 writing that such a waiver is in the national security
    7 interests of the United States.
    8 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
    9 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    10 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require11
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    13 States.
    14 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require15
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    16 this section does not extend to a lawful resident
    17 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct
    18 taking place within the United States, except to the
    19 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United
    20 States.
    21 (c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
    22 (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after
    23 the date of the enactment of this Act, the President
    24 shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for
    25 implementing this section.
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    1 (2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for imple2
    menting this section shall include, but not be limited
    3 to, procedures as follows:
    4 (A) Procedures designating the persons au5
    thorized to make determinations under sub6
    section (a)(2) and the process by which such
    7 determinations are to be made.
    8 (B) Procedures providing that the require9
    ment for military custody under subsection
    10 (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongo11
    ing surveillance or intelligence gathering with
    12 regard to persons not already in the custody or
    13 control of the United States.
    14 (C) Procedures providing that a determina15
    tion under subsection (a)(2) is not required to
    16 be implemented until after the conclusion of an
    17 interrogation session which is ongoing at the
    18 time the determination is made and does not
    19 require the interruption of any such ongoing
    20 session.
    21 (D) Procedures providing that the require22
    ment for military custody under subsection
    23 (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law en24
    forcement, or other government officials of the
    25 United States are granted access to an indi432
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    1 vidual who remains in the custody of a third
    2 country.
    3 (E) Procedures providing that a certifi4
    cation of national security interests under sub5
    section (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose
    6 of transferring a covered person from a third
    7 country if such a transfer is in the interest of
    8 the United States and could not otherwise be
    9 accomplished.
    10 (d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect
    11 on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment
    12 of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons de13
    scribed in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody
    14 or brought under the control of the United States on or
    15 after that effective date.
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    Good. Now what about the above worries you? What is it that you think it says that is so dangerous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Good. Now what about the above worries you? What is it that you think it says that is so dangerous?
    Thank you.
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    nevermind....

    misread a line
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Good. Now what about the above worries you? What is it that you think it says that is so dangerous?
    1. We should reject ANY legislation so long. The only reason for such winded law is deception.

    2. According to the posted version of the law...

    "8 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
    9 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    10 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require11
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    13 States."

    ...the "applicability" clause APPEARS to prevent this law from being used on citizens.

    HOWEVER, it states particularly "military custody under 12 THIS section" This is section 1032

    The authorization to detain ANYONE "covered" is in section 1031.

    3. We already have laws dealing with this... it's called criminal law.

    Edit - it appears that the exception held in 1031 is in part "e". The way it's worded, I wouldn't trust it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    1. We should reject ANY legislation so long. The only reason for such winded law is deception.

    2. According to the posted version of the law...

    "8 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
    9 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    10 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require11
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    13 States."

    ...the "applicability" clause APPEARS to prevent this law from being used on citizens.

    HOWEVER, it states particularly "military custody under 12 THIS section" This is section 1032

    The authorization to detain ANYONE "covered" is in section 1031.

    3. We already have laws dealing with this... it's called criminal law.

    Edit - it appears that the exception held in 1031 is in part "e". The way it's worded, I wouldn't trust it.
    1031 limits detentions under this law to those who had a part in the 9/11 attacks or have worked with al Qaeda AND were subject to detention under the authorization for the use of force previously granted by Congress. This is authority to detain folks making war on the US. I don't care if they are citizens!

    There is a distinction between enforcing laws and defending the nation that is lost on many. Folks who make war are dealt with militarily. Those who commit crimes are dealt with legally. If we capture a combatant making war on the US, American citizenship merely means that when the military is done with him, the civilian legal authorities may have their crack at him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    This is authority to detain folks making war on the US. I don't care if they are citizens!
    Folks who make war are dealt with militarily.
    Just a thought.....If our founding fathers were alive today, and wrote our Constitution and and everything they did, would they be concidered terrorists? If we today, love this country, and try to live like our forefathers intended us to, and believe our Constitution was written exactly like it was, for a reason, and believe each line a word applies today,at this time and hour........and these very rights are being constricted and slowly taken away, by the bright minds of this age....which is our government...and we rally together and try to excersize our rights, not wanting any more or any less than the words of the Constitution grants us.......wont WE be labled as terrorists.......
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    Psalm 144:2 My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me. Pro 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    1031 limits detentions under this law to those who had a part in the 9/11 attacks or have worked with al Qaeda AND were subject to detention under the authorization for the use of force previously granted by Congress. This is authority to detain folks making war on the US. I don't care if they are citizens!
    I disagree... that is NOT the way the law reads. There are MANY others covered in part (b)2. Also, part (e) APPEARS to protect citizens, but this is deceitful...

    (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
    11 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
    12 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
    13 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
    14 captured or arrested in the United States.

    Do you KNOW what the EXISTING law OR AUTHORITIES are now? Why is this written so DIFFERENTLY than the applicability portion of 1033 found in (4)b?

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    There is a distinction between enforcing laws and defending the nation that is lost on many. Folks who make war are dealt with militarily. Those who commit crimes are dealt with legally. If we capture a combatant making war on the US, American citizenship merely means that when the military is done with him, the civilian legal authorities may have their crack at him!
    This is true, which is why it is important for CONGRESS to declare a state of WAR. This has NOT happened therefore NONE of this SHOULD apply to those involved with 9/11.

    The importance of being zealously jealous of the protections guaranteed by the constitution is lost on MANY. This is law is useless at best and treasonous at worst.
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    Don't worry when they start to use this against illegals it he country the ACLU will raise hell about it. After all the illegals are invading our country so let's send them to Cuba for being a terrorist.

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