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    Unhappy M/Sgt Eugene Williams Jr. on Supertalk MS today (12/5/2011)

    I'm not sure if any of you listen to Supertalk Ms, but today all of us should have been listening to the JT show while M/Sgt was a guest. I must admit that I didn't get to catch his entire vist but the last 10 minutes were the most important for us. A caller called in and asked M/Sgt does his concealed cary permit mean that whenever he carries does te firearm have to be compleletely concealed or is in the holster fine. M/Sgt replied that the firearm must be completely concealed at all times!!! He went on to say that a concealed weapons permit does not give you the ability to walk around with a firearm in plain sight, because MS does not have open carry!!! The caller stated that he has been getting alot of information on this subject and that the information the M/Sgt was giving him was in direct conflict with what many attorneys had already told him. JT(host of show), then stated well you know lawyers are always going to tell you one thing because they are always trying to challenge the law. I was about to call in myself but JT said their would be only one caller after the current call ended, so I woudnt have been able to get on. I'm posting this because this is in direct violation of what the MS law states, and this is the Director of the Firearms Unit giving this misinformation. So either our collective reading/understanding of the law is incorrect or he is intentionally misinterpting the law. I find it hard to believe that he made a mistake since that was his entire reason for coming on the show,and he is the Director after all. Any thoughts on this matter?

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    Here's the location for show archives:

    http://www.supertalk.fm/topic/featur...eGroupId=52935

    Looks like the archives are about half a month behind so...

    Perhaps we should call this mis-informed Sgt and educate him.
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    Yea the first thing I did was go to the site and try to pull up the archives, but it will be a little while before today's show is in their system apparently. Being that he has that "title" I don't know if trying to inform him of anything, since he was pretty adamant with his respone to the caller. And what shocked me even more is that he kept calling it a concealed weapons permit when that's not what my license says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius View Post
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    And what shocked me even more is that he kept calling it a concealed weapons permit when that's not what my license says.
    To be fair, the law does (mostly) call it a concealed weapons permit:
    45-9-101. License to carry stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver
    I'd say the wording on the license itself is bad, as "Firearms Permit" is overly broad and misleading. According to 45-9-101 (18) the permit does not cover "open and unconcealed" carry, yet "Firearms Permit" makes it sound like it covers all aspects of firearms ownership and carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius View Post
    Yea the first thing I did was go to the site and try to pull up the archives, but it will be a little while before today's show is in their system apparently. Being that he has that "title" I don't know if trying to inform him of anything, since he was pretty adamant with his respone to the caller. And what shocked me even more is that he kept calling it a concealed weapons permit when that's not what my license says.
    You are correct.

    Mississippi issues a Firearms Permit which permits the holder to conceal carry a handgun.
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    The whole law needs to be rewritten. It's a total mess IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    You are correct.

    Mississippi issues a Firearms Permit which permits the holder to conceal carry a handgun.
    Yes but this "conceal carry" does not meant the handgun must be completely concealed. The permit is needed because the state law saws any part of the gun concealed is considered concealed carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunGuy20 View Post
    The whole law needs to be rewritten. It's a total mess IMO.
    No just some deletions need to be made. Those three words, from 97-37-1; all of 97-37-17, and a few other sections.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    No just some deletions need to be made. Those three words, from 97-37-1; all of 97-37-17, and a few other sections.
    I agree. This would certainly clarify the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius View Post
    Yes but this "conceal carry" does not meant the handgun must be completely concealed. The permit is needed because the state law saws any part of the gun concealed is considered concealed carry.
    No it doesn't. That would be clearly in violation of the constitution of MS and as no law can do such that interpretation is wrong. No court, that I know of anyway, has established your interpretation as the common law interpretation. MS Attorney Generals are consistant in saying that carrying a firearm unconcealed is legal, and are equally consistant in not giving any interpretation as to what is concealed or unconcealed.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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