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    Thumbs up Lizzy's Green Cafe Veteran's & Homeless Veterans Dinner Events, 15 & 29 December!

    Thursday the 15th Lizzy's will be open for a limited number of people, namely the Veterans and us. She asked me today to specifically invite the open carry people who attended last year and any guests we wish to bring. The Veterans will mostly be seated in the lounge for this event so we will have enough room in the cafe for the rest of the Veterans and all of us. Please attend if possible to show our support for our Veterans. Dinner will be served around 5:30 to 7. Entertainment starts at 7 with a Las Vegas act in the Lounge. Remember this is an open carry establishment and Lizzy has given us explicit permission to open carry in the cafe and lounge.


    Thursday the 29th Lizzy's will be open for a limited number of people. This event is for our homeless Veterans who have nothing and live in the Veterans home. This event also starts at 5 P.M. with dinner served until 7 or so and then entertainment in the Lounge at 7. This is the event most of us attended last year and the one we supported with our donations and gifts. Many of these Veterans are young and have recently returned from a tour of duty and were then discharged. Once again Lizzy specifically has asked that we, the open carry folks and our families that frequent her establishment to please attend if possible to show our support for our homeless Veterans.

    Keep in mind that the group on the 29th are the Veterans with nothing so if you intend to donate and donations are limited please donate to the homeless Veterans. I know we all can't attend every event that comes our way and finances are tough. Several of you got together last year and made gifts for our homeless Veterans. If anyone wants to spearhead this please do and post on the forum for help if you need it.

    Please folks, attend at least one of these events if you can. I hope most of us can at least attend the event on the 29th for our homeless Veterans.

    Lizzy's Green Cafe
    3731 S. Beaumont Ave
    Kansasville, WI

    Phone: 262-878-6162
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    I wish I could attend. Give the veterans my heartfelt thanks for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    I would like to attend, but what are the scheduled hours a person can open carry at this event? I see in state statutes a clause about a specific event of limited duration. I do not want to get arrested.
    Lizzy's is a very carry friendly place.
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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    Thumbs up Anyone Can Open Carry At Lizzy's Green Cafe

    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    I would like to attend, but what are the scheduled hours a person can open carry at this event? I see in state statutes a clause about a specific event of limited duration. I do not want to get arrested.
    The restaurant is "to the right" when you walk through the front door while the lounge is "to the left" when you walk through the front door. The owners of the restaurant and lounge, Lizzy and Adam, have stated publicly many times that everyone is welcome in their establishments and open carry is welcome.

    I open carry in the cafe and lounge whenever I am there. I don't want this thread to turn into the "agent" or "limited duration" or "specific event" rants it has in the past when discussing open carry in the lounge in accordance with the law. To put it bluntly we have the owners permission to always open carry in the entire establishment every single time we visit. Besides, the bathrooms are in the lounge so if you dine in the restaurant and need to use the restroom you have to enter the lounge to do so.

    To answer your question these two events start at 5 and run until ??? whenever everyone leaves....please attend if possible. The event on the 29th is for our homeless Veterans. It's very sad to see our Veterans homeless. Lizzy and Adam have these events every year and these ARE special events which we specifically have been invited to attend. We...being open carry people. Lizzy herself spoke with me directly and asked me to post the two events and to invite the open carry community and our families.

    Hope many of us can attend at least one event. I will certainly attend the event on the 29th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    I guess they must have a license to serve alcohol, if they in fact do then the specifice event of limited duration I would think comes into play when open carry is involved. So who has the written permission and hours to open carry in a tavern at this event?
    Lizzy and Adam have given us permission to be there armed anytime they are open. Like I said, they are very carry friendly.
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    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    29th I should be able to attend.
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    Exclamation Start Your Own Thread. Don't Trash This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    I looked up Wis Stat. 941.237 (3) (g) and from what I see the owners may be breaking the law by allowing open carry all the time since they have a tavern. Someone has been misinformed and someone is likely to get arrested because of it.
    If you want to discuss the law start your own thread and discuss it there.
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    With respect, never accept legal information/advice from any but your own paid attorney.

    The cops are law enFORCErs, like hammerheads, everything is nail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Not trashing anything or anyone, before I attend I will seek an opinion from the Racine County Sheriff's Dept. just to be safe from an arrest.
    Please start your own thread. There is no need to continue to derail this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    I wish to attend the events, please do not hassle me for being careful.
    I am not hassling you, I'm just saying to start a new thread instead of derailing this one. As for going to the police to ask their legal opinion, they don't know the carry laws as well as we do. They are not lawyers. Some of them do what they think is what the law states, but that is what Wisconsin Carry, Inc helps out with. Click on each one of the dates to look at what WCI has helped out with in this state: http://www.wisconsincarry.org/default.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Thank you for the URl, but I will take the DOJ statute over anything that organization you posted or any other organization has to say about the law involved.
    OK, here's the story. Lizzy's is a restaurant and as far as I know, doesn't have a class B license so it doesn't matter. If it does, the 'event of limited duration' would be the Verterans meal time. Do you have a WI concealed carry license? If so, it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Before I attend this coming week I will go over to the establishment and find out the facts. I only live 45 miles away and I do not trust some of the things I read on internet forums.

    Have fun! Do you have a ccl? If so, it doesn't matter if you have permission or not. As others have said, don't call the cops, they are allowed to lie to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Thank you for the URl, but I will take the DOJ statute over anything that organization you posted or any other organization has to say about the law involved.
    I'm sensing more hostility than is warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Thank you for the URl, but I will take the DOJ statute over anything that organization you posted or any other organization has to say about the law involved.
    Ok, well, look at the information in my signature, it has all the needed information on carrying in WI.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ou-should-know

    If you still don't trust anyone here, then I guess there isn't much of a point to be here. Sorry if that seems crass, but if you don't trust the information, you'll never be able to trust anything anyone says.
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    I think I can come to the one on the 29th.

    As for our newest incarnation of lunchables...
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet
    what are the scheduled hours a person can open carry at this event?
    Since you'll probably spend most of the time in the restaurant, hours & permission don't matter.
    The restaurant is NOT a Class B premises.

    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet
    So who has the written permission and hours to open carry in a tavern at this event?
    Don't need it; it's not a tavern.
    The restaurant & tavern are separate properties.
    Even if you go into the tavern it doesn't have to be written permission.

    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet
    Thank you for the URl, but I will take the DOJ statute over anything that organization you posted or any other organization has to say about the law involved.
    Since you didn't bother to even look at that webpage, you wouldn't know this, but...
    there's a tab in the upper right that says "legal",
    and on the menu under that tab is a link that says "Wisconsin legal citations"
    and the page that brings up has links to PDFs of the laws,
    all starting with legis.state.wi.us
    Official enough for you?
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    I plan on being there on the 29th. Looking forward to seeing all who make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Thank you for the nice post and changing my mind about seeking an opinion from Racine County before I attend on Dec. 15th and Dec.29th. One can never be too careful. Wis State Stat. 941.237 (3) (g).

    I do not understand the lunchable thing, I am able to do lunch everyday.
    moot point, as Lizzy's is located in Kenosha county, not Racine. I personally would ask any questions i would have of Paul Fisher, not the police. but i am funny that way.

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    what county is in is irrelevant, you are missing the point, i will copy paste it here again:

    I personally would ask any questions i would have of Paul Fisher, not the police.

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    Thumbs up First Dinner Event In Two Days!

    Bump! I hope some of us can attend. Please make an effort to attend the event on the 29th if you can only attend one of them. The event on the 29th are for our homeless Veterans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msusnVet View Post
    Visited Lizzys green cafe.
    Breakfast was quite a bit above the norm.
    Desiree is a very nice young lady, very nice singing voice.
    She is a Ricki Lake look and sound alike.
    Had a couple or so beers in the twilight zone.
    A very nice carry friendly place for the Vets doins.
    No need to say anymore. Period.
    Wow.. Actual proof you were there... Good On You...

    Some here in the past have claimed to be there witout proof... You sir have bested them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1 View Post
    Wow.. Actual proof you were there... Good On You...

    Some here in the past have claimed to be there without proof... You sir have bested them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    He's been to troll school.
    He got the name, the look, and the sound right (I have heard her sing).

    Kinda confused though, as far as I know, they do not do Kareoke for breakfast...???

    Oh yea, and it is the Twilight Lounge... Not The Twilight Zone.....

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    I will be able to make the one on the 29th!

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