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    Hmm... Who needs a BUG?

    Overshadowed by the VT incident, a VSP trooper was in a gunfight yesterday afternoon on I-95 just south of Fredericksburg. After a series of non-trivial events, the trooper had arrested the subject, found walking along the interstate. Once in the car, the subject went after the troopers service gun. The gun went off, striking the trooper in the leg. I'll post the details that ensued below. On a positive note, it sounds as though the trooper will recover.

    On a side note, this happened about 12 miles south of Fredericksburg, they had I-95 South completely blocked off or down to only 1 lane for many hours. As is always the case, every south-bound route through the city was absolutely jammed all the way through rush-hour, as everyone bailed off I-95 onto Route 1, which quickly overflowed to local roads as well. Many commute times were double or triple the "norm".

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    I-95 suspect dies from his injuries

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    After placing [the suspect] Wheeler in his unmarked patrol car, [VSP spokesman] Molnar said a violent struggle ensued.

    “During the struggle, the suspect attempted to take control of the trooper’s service weapon when the weapon discharged striking the trooper in the leg,” Molnar said. “As the violent struggle continued inside the troopers vehicle, the trooper returned fire with another weapon.”

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    [Trooper] Hamer, 51, was taken by ambulance to Mary Washington Hospital, where he is currently recovering. Wheeler was flown by helicopter to the same hospital with “serious, life threatening injuries,” Molnar said. Unconfirmed reports said Wheeler was shot in the head.

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    Good that the trooper will be okay! Also good that the bad guy is off the street! I bet that officer will always be carrying a BUG...
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    Looks as if the BUG enabled the trooper to save the day!

    My prayers are with him in his recovery.

    As for the miscreant, well, you reap what you sow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff View Post
    "with another gun"

    I'm wondering if this means the trooper might have popped his trunk and grabbed a long rifle?
    Doesn't sound like it
    from the article
    “During the struggle, the suspect attempted to take control of the trooper’s service weapon when the weapon discharged striking the trooper in the leg,” Molnar said. “As the violent struggle continued inside the troopers vehicle, the trooper returned fire with another weapon.”

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    I have strongly advocated a BUG. I guess those with only additional magazines could hit him on the head with them hoping to disuade him from grabbing the gun. :-)

    Does VSP have the shotgun in front like I have seen in many police cars? In hand to hand combat for the gun it would be very ominous to see a shotgun barrel approaching....

    Sorry that there was loss of life.

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    So if the guy was arrested then he was in handcuffs, right? I don't see how he could grab an officers gun and shoot him with it while his hands are behind his back in cuffs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter45 View Post
    So if the guy was arrested then he was in handcuffs, right? I don't see how he could grab an officers gun and shoot him with it while his hands are behind his back in cuffs...
    The way I understood the story, the fellow was not under arrest. His only crime was walking on Interstate which happens frequently. Unless there is something else involved, the Troopers usually just give them a ride to the next exit with a warning to stay off the highway.

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    Ahh, the good old USA, where it's almost frowned upon and illegal to walk anywhere, and where walking in the middle of the day is almost considered enough RAS to get you detained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsontech View Post
    Ahh, the good old USA, where it's almost frowned upon and illegal to walk anywhere, and where walking in the middle of the day is almost considered enough RAS to get you detained.
    The interstate highway system was built because the United States was impressed with how fast the Nazi's could move equipment on the Autobahn.
    Seems fitting that like so many modern things, we got the idea from Hitler.

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    Newspaper says a DMV cop tried to stop him for reckless driving but he sped away. He later crashed and fled on foot. Then tried to force his way into a tractor-trailer rig. I'm pretty sure he was under arrest at the time of the shooting incident.

    And for those that are not aware, the proper name is Eisenhower National Defense Highway System. There is only one other road dedicated to national defense - US 1 from Maine to Key West is the Intercoastal Defense Highway - so designated after WWI (also thanks to the Germans - the Kaiser that time).

    And yes, a bug is never a bad idea, even if you usually don't get into situations where the BG is trying to take your primary gun away from you. "Two is one, and one is none" for many reasons other than losing your gun to a grabber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsontech View Post
    Ahh, the good old USA, where it's almost frowned upon and illegal to walk anywhere, and where walking in the middle of the day is almost considered enough RAS to get you detained.

    Surely, you are speaking in jest. This is not a case of an innocent man, just walking along being arrested for doing nothing.



    "the driver, later identified as Wheeler, fled on foot into a wooded area after an attempted traffic stop by a special agent with the Department of Motor Vehicles

    ...The agent attempted to stop Wheeler for reckless driving, Molnar said, but he was not located after a search.

    ...a tractor-trailor driver, who had stopped on the right shoulder to inspect a tire on I-95 South at the 118 mile marker in Thornburg, reported that a man approached him and attempted to gain access to his vehicle.

    After placing Wheeler in his unmarked patrol car, Molnar said a violent struggle ensued.

    “During the struggle, the suspect attempted to take control of the trooper’s service weapon when the weapon discharged striking the trooper in the leg...”
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    Well now...,

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter45 View Post
    So if the guy was arrested then he was in handcuffs, right? I don't see how he could grab an officers gun and shoot him with it while his hands are behind his back in cuffs...
    IF (and again, that's a mighty big IF) he was handcuffed, he wouldn't exactly be the first or only person we ever heard of that got out of cuffs and shot a cop, now would he? Plus the fact that he wouldn't have necessarily had the cuffs in the back when the "struggle ensued". Some folks can maneuver those cuffs around to the front in a jiffy!!!

    Heck, I knew of a guy that broke three tie wraps (the big heavy duty type like the railroad uses to hold brake line air hose glad hands together),of course he was "dusted" at the time. Finally took him off of the train in Garner, N.C. where they used to have a state police training barracks, Looked like about a dozen Troopers and all the Town Fuzz they could muster up when we pulled in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsontech View Post
    Ahh, the good old USA, where it's almost frowned upon and illegal to walk anywhere, and where walking in the middle of the day is almost considered enough RAS to get you detained.
    wtf, why would you want to let people walk on the Interstate? It's illegal to walk on the Interstate for a very good reason-cars are driving 50+ mph on it at all times and the last thing a motorist wants to worry about on the Interstate is pedestrians. Pedestrians need to keep on surface streets. There is no reason to walk on an Interstate highway unless you're walking from a stranded car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    wtf, why would you want to let people walk on the Interstate? It's illegal to walk on the Interstate for a very good reason-cars are driving 50+ mph on it at all times and the last thing a motorist wants to worry about on the Interstate is pedestrians. Pedestrians need to keep on surface streets. There is no reason to walk on an Interstate highway unless you're walking from a stranded car.

    That's the dumbest comment I've heard all week. It may just top HankT.

    Cars are going 50+ MPH on every highway in the country the reason to walk on one is the same as driving, to go from point A to B and what in hell is a "Surface Street"?

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    Hands behind back? That only works on fat people. Anyone thin and limber can just pull them to the front.

    Cuffs are easy to shim and/or pick as well with a bit of practice. Not to mention just hiding a cuff key.


    Since I don't carry a BUG, for a retention-fight I'll go to the blade. But it's pretty much my default inside 5ft anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    That's the dumbest comment I've heard all week. It may just top HankT.

    Cars are going 50+ MPH on every highway in the country the reason to walk on one is the same as driving, to go from point A to B and what in hell is a "Surface Street"?
    Ever notice how Interstate highways seem to be elevated above the land around it? A "surface street" would be the opposite. The Interstate is a limited access highway-meaning that access is limited-even by cars, to certain entrances and exits called...you guessed it: exits. The purpose of which is to facilitate the quick and efficient movement of motor vehicles only. Bicycles are not allowed. Motor vehicles that cannot sustain a minimum speed of 40 mph are not allowed. Pedestrians don't even come close to this restriction, so they need to stay on the surface streets-specifically the sidewalk. Have you never wondered why they don't put sidewalks on the Interstate.

    So you think my comment was dumb? Considering that's coming from someone that can't understand this concept, that means absolutely nothing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post

    So you think my comment was dumb? Considering that's coming from someone that can't understand this concept, that means absolutely nothing to me.
    Agree +1000
    Sounded like a smart aleck comment to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-gal View Post
    Sounded like a smart aleck comment to me.
    It was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    it was!
    ok!
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    I have learned from a reliable source that Mr. Wheeler (the deceased) was not under arrest, nor in handcuffs at the time this incident took place. Apparently the VSP trooper was just offering him a ride in an effort to get him off the interstate. I suppose it is doubtful we will ever know the reason he decided to take a violent turn, beyond the speculation that it had to do with the earlier events of the day.

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    Doesn't VSP have those separation barriers between the front and back?

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    What if you OC a Fake gun, and CC a real one? Like a decoy? They reach for the fake, and you pull out the real one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ 911 View Post
    What if you OC a Fake gun, and CC a real one? Like a decoy? They reach for the fake, and you pull out the real one.
    They might pistol whip you with the fake while you try to draw the real gun. ha-ha!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ 911 View Post
    What if you OC a Fake gun, and CC a real one? Like a decoy? They reach for the fake, and you pull out the real one.
    You will be the first to be shot you with a bazooka if you are caught in the middle of a bank robbery while open carrying a fake gun. The perp will walk over to steal your fake gun off your limp body. The perp will then realize the gun is a fake and shoot you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Doesn't VSP have those separation barriers between the front and back?
    Haven't seen one in any of the VSP cars I've been inside

    Back OT, the last few times I've seen people from OCDO in the Richmond area (VCDL @ VCU rally and a couple of breakfast outings) I've had a BUG with me. Didn't weigh down my belt as much as I thought it would and wasn't uncomfortable moving around either.
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