I feel like a sitting defenseless duck at work now.

MilProGuy said:

Private sector employers do have rights, though. It's their right to have a no firearms policy...just at it is the private citizen's right not to work there if their policies do not meet their approval.

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The Veteran's Administration is NOT private sector.

Goggle is your friend.

Farmer Greg: I feel very sorry for you if you are in that much fear of your job. The CEO's I have know over my years of working for other, and in my owning my own company would lead me to believe that you probable do not have a valid fear.

I would suggest you write a letter, very short, very polite and explain how you know there are reasons to not allow firearms on the production line, but was he aware of the potential liability he was exposing himself and the company to by posting the facilities with a sign?

Polite greeting

Paragraph 1: Who you are, loyal employee for X years, etc.

Paragraph 2: Company policy as it is, and how it could be understood to be that way. That you are not requesting a change in the handbook.

Paragraph 3: The complaint of the Sign Posting the plant and the liability that sign exposes the company to. A request that the sign be removed for everyones safety and the company's liability.

Closing : Include a statement that if the CEO wishes to talk to you, you would be more than willing to do so, on your own time.

Try to write this in less then a page, Make it a slow mail type letter, and have it put in his mail box at work.

while working in the aerospace industry, i was in the position to significantly encouraged management to put up applicable signage, IAW prevailing statutes, on all entrances of our building. not for the employees per se, but to assure those workers who provided appropriate maintance to our facility were aware they could not carry - o or c within the facility/on the property.

now before the unslaught begins from everyone... this avenue was the lesser of two evils, as management, at the prodding from HR, wanted to install metal detectors at the entrances which would of been embarrassing to those of us who were allowed, by senior management, to carry conceal at work in the performance of our position(s) and was unbeknownst to the majority of the employees, including HR.

wabbit

ps: good suggestion, but to further your objective, you might wish to elicit the support of the environmental, health, safety person to adddress/discuss your concerns at the organizational EH&S committee. does two things, one discussion in front of management representatives and puts it on the record employees feel there is a safety issue. additionally, this approach negates your letter might not get past the CEO's watch dog, AKA admin specialist.

Grapeshot said:

The Veteran's Administration is NOT private sector.

Goggle is your friend.

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I did not say that the Veteran's Administration is private sector.

Go back and re-read post #18.

ncwabbit said:

ps: good suggestion, but to further your objective, you might wish to elicit the support of the environmental, health, safety person to adddress/discuss your concerns at the organizational EH&S committee. does two things, one discussion in front of management representatives and puts it on the record employees feel there is a safety issue. additionally, this approach negates your letter might not get past the CEO's watch dog, AKA admin specialist.

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While the underlined may be a concern, it can be legally circumvented by placing (yes I forgot to mention) "Private". If you put "Private" for< CEO name > legally (I know doesn't mean they won't) Admin cannot open and screen the letter.

As to the environmental safety committtee, yes, that is also a good idea. I guess I am just to used to talking to higher ups, in person. It would be very possible that if the company has an environmental safety committee that the CEO would point him that direction anyway. There would be ane big advantage to clueing the CEO in first, it's called followup.

ncwabbit: you have obviously been in the business end.. think about it this way. Safety committee meets, Joe employee submits his request, it is discussed and action take...odds the action is what you want (that is goodby signage)????

CEO tells Safety committe to look into the signage question and listen to Joe employee's arguments????? Odds the action taken will be in your favor?

Remember, CEOs, CFOs, COOs etc put there pants/panyhose one one leg at a time too...(even though some my not think so)

alas, as i have seen many times over the tenure of my varied career, watch dogs, inadvertently misplace inbound documents - sometimes at the direction of those they protect and a dropped off letter has no viable way of being track/traced.

the safety committee route, (or suggestion box) normally has traceability to satisfy OSHA as well as those process model (ISO,AS,CMMI) criteria so a person (not advocating insubordination mind your just providing guidance) were so inclined to, they could drop a quarter and fone the regional OSHA/dept of labor to discuss their concerns...

btw...before your discussion w/EH&S/sr mgmt, you might wish to glean crime stats from the immediate area surrounding the work location to add objective evidence to your letter...

wabbit

FarmerGreg said:

I work in a large candy factory on 3rd shift. It's has always been in our handbook that employees can't carry a gun but now the company has posted sign's that say "No Guns No Kidding" now the world knows were defenseless. I wish they would take the sign's down!!! ;(

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I am glad my workplace doesn't have signs posted but working solo a lot a security we are not allowed to carry firearms...it would be like a cop going into a dark building alone with no firearm, tazer, anything.

More about it:
http://forums.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?97827-Need-Help-Persuading-a-Company

Herr Heckler Koch said:

The government, the Veteran's Administration has no "rights," but only powers to be used against it's disfavored. Thank you for reminding me that and why I will never exercise my veteran's privilege to use the VA. Thank God I don't have to.

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MilProGuy said:

Private sector employers do have rights, though.

It's their right to have a no firearms policy...just at it is the private citizen's right not to work there if their policies do not meet their approval.

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Grapeshot said:

The Veteran's Administration is NOT private sector.

Goggle is your friend.

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MilProGuy said:

I did not say that the Veteran's Administration is private sector.

Go back and re-read post #18.

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Neither one of us said or claimed to say what the other thought we concluded the prior post said - close enough?

I read these as each poster responding with his thoughts as induced by previous post - nothing challenging.