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    Was called stupid for supporting open carry by a employee at the gun store Las Vegas

    The last few months I have been busy between family and work but last week while in Las Vegas I was able to get a day to myself. I went I into the gun store to shoot a SAW, way over priced but worth it. After I got done shooting I went into the back part of the store where they sell guns to looks around. While I thought the people in the shooting range part of the store where all nice and friendly once I walked into the back part of the store it was a entire different world. I walked up to the counter and was completely ignored for the first few minutes. A young guy about my age was working the counter and was OCing a glock. I walked up to him smiling and told him I was visiting from Washington state, he did not seem impressed but my feelings where not hurt.
    I told him a lot of guys up in Washington OC and asked him if it was legal here. He rolled his eyes and said "yeah its legal but don't do it". When I asked him to explain he said he told me I was stupid and need to get a cpl. When I told him I have one but still believe in my right to open carry. He told me again I was stupid and that its too easy to get in trouble. He told me in Nevada all anyone has to do is feel threatened by the site of your gun, call the police and that I would be arrested. I was there visiting and really didn't feel like getting into a discussion. I told him "well it's different where I come from" and walked away. As I walked away he told me to use my cpl and stop trying to show off. I laughed a little because found his comments humorous coming from a man who was open carrying him self.
    It doesn't matter I still had a great time I finally shot a real fully automatic machine gun! Check one more thing off my bucket list!
    I did go online to the Nevada thread and post the same story the day it happened they told me they are open carry friendly as far as the state goes and that the gun store was already on their radar
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    What happens in Vegas stays in Vagas :P

    But seriously, thats poor customer service, and poor manners from the employee.
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    Hey you didn't have to go all the way to Vegas for the automatic experience. IIRC Wade's over in Bellevue offers the same thing... and doesn't mind if you OC
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    Different State, different laws. Why would he care what anyone can do in WA?
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    I see you already posted on the Nevada forum so you have probably read up on the requirements there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Hey you didn't have to go all the way to Vegas for the automatic experience. IIRC Wade's over in Bellevue offers the same thing... and doesn't mind if you OC
    Really? I did not know that do you have a website for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    Really? I did not know that do you have a website for them?
    Let me google that for you

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    Looks like they only have a few 9mm auto's for rent now, but no snotty anti-OC attitude or expensive out of state trip required.
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    lol thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    What happens in Vegas stays in Vagas :P

    But seriously, thats poor customer service, and poor manners from the employee.
    Seems like that "all mightier then thou" attitude is not state specific. We have it here also. Go to Marksman, and talk to their employees. Funny how some guys in the gun business, who openly carry guns, dont support our 2A rights to open carry in public where it is legal and on private property where you would think it would be commonplace.
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    Gang:

    I am always a little surprised at the reaction most people who you would assume support 2A react when they see someone open carrying... I don't think that it is just the anti's that have a stigma about firearms... Pretty much everyone does... I wish it were different, but it isn't... With regards to how that particular individual treated you -- just plain and simple poor customer service... There isn't any amount of education that is going to change his attitude...
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    At a gunshop I frequent, the manager's personal oppinion is that open carry is dumb because of the attention it draws. However I only know this because of quite a few conversations we have had. They pretty much keep their oppinion to themselves and are more than willing to do business with some one regardless of OC or CC. I am perfectly fine with this view, everyone is entitled to their oppinion, but in this case they don't preach, ridicule, and are willing to sell to anyone who is legally able to own.

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    Just a FYI your carry permit is not valid in NV. They only honor NV permits. I was traveling through on my way to Arizona and got stopped. The officer was understanding but told me that NV doesn't accept WA State CPLs and let me go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Seems like that "all mightier then thou" attitude is not state specific. We have it here also. Go to Marksman, and talk to their employees. Funny how some guys in the gun business, who openly carry guns, dont support our 2A rights to open carry in public where it is legal and on private property where you would think it would be commonplace.
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
    I finished shooting at their range one day and while turning in the rental I fired and safety glasses to the asian guy there, I just happened to ask if they wanted a few open carry pamphlets as I didnt see any, and he said open carry was illegal in washington and would get you arrested. He then said if I didnt believe him, that I could ask any of the many, officers that come in to buy firearms and use the range.

    Hmmm, what a novel concept, ask an officer from pierce county about the law on open carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kildars View Post
    Just a FYI your carry permit is not valid in NV. They only honor NV permits. I was traveling through on my way to Arizona and got stopped. The officer was understanding but told me that NV doesn't accept WA State CPLs and let me go.
    Not exactly true.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nevada.pdf

    Nevada stopped honoring Utah and Florida permits about 2 years ago in order to force people to come pay for their own, but they didn't stop reciprocity all together. It just so happens, that the rest of the permits they DO recognize, are not issued to non-residents of those states, or are very hard for non-residents to get.

    It was a very deliberate act in order to raise revenue through their own permit system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I finished shooting at their range one day and while turning in the rental I fired and safety glasses to the asian guy there, I just happened to ask if they wanted a few open carry pamphlets as I didnt see any, and he said open carry was illegal in washington and would get you arrested. He then said if I didnt believe him, that I could ask any of the many, officers that come in to buy firearms and use the range.

    Hmmm, what a novel concept, ask an officer from pierce county about the law on open carry.
    I have the same response each time to these folks that say "open carry is illegal".

    "O? What law makes it illegal? Please, tell me the RCW that your referring to."

    Most just sputter and mumble something about what they heard from a friend of a friend who has a neighbor who is a LEO, or some such nonsense, or a 10 second conversation they had with an LEO in passing 3 years ago.

    That being said, I can understand the misconception given the ambiguous wording of 9.41.270

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
    Deck, I'm suprised you've had problems at Cabelas. I go there all the time (I live within eyesight), and never had a problem. They only require un-holstered weapons to be checked in.

    Also as far as the employee to call the OP stupid is bad business in general. If you don't agree with a customers POV is fine, but to actually call you stupid is so wrong. If I owned/managed that shop that guy would be history.

    Why is it that the CC only crowd bash us unmercifuly, but us OCer's don't say squat to them? Just thinking out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
    The Cabela's stores here in WI know that carry is legal. I'd complain to the manager, district manager, and corporate.
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    My reference with Cabelas had to do with the "holier than thou" approach. As far as carry in Cabelas I have had no issue. I was under the impression that we were also discussing customer service and bad manners. I don't frequent an establishment just because they allow the carry method I happen to be using on any given day. I also look at the aforementioned customer service and manners. I am finding more and more that those two things seem to be in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    Not exactly true.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nevada.pdf

    Nevada stopped honoring Utah and Florida permits about 2 years ago in order to force people to come pay for their own, but they didn't stop reciprocity all together. It just so happens, that the rest of the permits they DO recognize, are not issued to non-residents of those states, or are very hard for non-residents to get.

    It was a very deliberate act in order to raise revenue through their own permit system.
    No, but it did have that as an effect. If the requirements are reasonably similar, they honor permits. If the requirements are NOT reasonably similar, they do not honor permits.


    Since they judge based upon requirements, specifically time in class, and time on range, it is logical that resident permits are more likely to be recognized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kildars View Post
    Just a FYI your carry permit is not valid in NV. They only honor NV permits. I was traveling through on my way to Arizona and got stopped. The officer was understanding but told me that NV doesn't accept WA State CPLs and let me go.
    Get an Arizona license. NV recognizes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
    well,,,,

    I don't know about Wades or FW Discount, but I OC in Bullseye's with no issue and Cabela's all the time and have never had a comment except positive from staff and patrons....

    Saw a guy in there yesterday with a cowboy rig having lunch....and had a long conversation with a couple of guys who seemed to know a lot about it, but didn't actually have their CPL's....we were all waiting around for an police officer that was working inventory shrinkage control for a guy to come out of the changing room. He was on his knees in the aisle, watching to see how many pairs of clothing the guy could fit under his jeans....finally, they cuffed him and made him take the "walk of shame" throughout the store to their offices somewhere.....no merry Christmas for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You are the second person I have heard that from. I go to the Marksman often and it is one of the only stores in the area I have had zero problems at. I have had problems with Bullseye's, Wades, Federal Way Discount Guns, and Cabela's. Never the Marksman though. That's why I keep going back there.
    You've been lucky then. I've had the same "all mightier then thou" attitude experience at Marksman myself and refuse to go back there now. Same with all the other places in your list.

    The only places where this has not happened and I will shop; Surplus Ammo and Arms in Lakewood, Rainier Arms in Kent, and West Coast Armory in Bellevue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Peterson View Post
    Get an Arizona license. NV recognizes them.
    Oh sweet, I didn't think NV recognized any non resident permits.
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