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    No Guns = No Business

    I found this very cool idea and I wanted to share it here. Just the thing to pack when you OC.

    No Guns No Money cards

    The only change I would make is the addition of my email address in the event that they want to ask some questions or even change their tune.
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    except that no one's going to take the time to read all that while you're walking and it's moving around...
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    To me, this is a bad idea. You're going on record with your email and your card as both carrying and being somewhat of an activist. I'd be concerned that a business owner would just send your card to the local constable and you'd end up on some watch list. Not saying it will happen, but be aware that you're outing yourself, drawing unneeded attention. Be well aware of what you're asking by doing this, what privacy you may be giving up. This is different than when a group puts out these, like the NRA or a State-wide Defense organization (like VCDL).

    If you're OK with this then a card can certainly be helpful getting your point across. I'd lean towards putting searchable URLs on the card - particularly any cites of law that support you or statistics which support gun-friendly businesses as feasible.

    Good luck.
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    Like it or not, those most owners who prohibit firearms to be carried by customers, in actuality only prohibit those that are carried openly (if concealed, they don't see it, right?). Another reality is that Open Carrying individuals are still in the minority. Business owners who are anti gun won't really care if you refuse to spend money with them. The only way any boycott is going to be effective is if there is a significant portion of their business lost due to their practices. Don't see that happening here. Them's just the realities of life, like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Like it or not, those most owners who prohibit firearms to be carried by customers, in actuality only prohibit those that are carried openly (if concealed, they don't see it, right?). Another reality is that Open Carrying individuals are still in the minority. Business owners who are anti gun won't really care if you refuse to spend money with them. The only way any boycott is going to be effective is if there is a significant portion of their business lost due to their practices. Don't see that happening here. Them's just the realities of life, like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    This. And I am quite sure we are ALL already on numerous "watch lists" Name:  icon_mrgreen.gif
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    Big Brother is probably watching this forum right now...

    I think if I would carry the card I would add a provision for those who also want to specify the way I carry, like WAC. "You can only carry unloaded and tied, IF you are a member who has paid a fee to save money".
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Big Brother is probably watching this forum right now....
    He can watch me all he wants, but he canít see, as I have strategically wrapped my computer with foil. Sure itís hard to type but it matches my hat, so I figure Iím in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Big Brother is probably watching this forum right now...

    I think if I would carry the card I would add a provision for those who also want to specify the way I carry, like WAC. "You can only carry unloaded and tied, IF you are a member who has paid a fee to save money".
    We have all bought guns & filled out the form. We are on a fringe right wing extremist forum. We even have a few veterans around. By their own admission, they are watching us.



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    We do it already. Why not make it one list. Applebees, Costco etc... Make it per location. Assume if they don't ask you to leave then it is good. Update if you have a different experience. No need for a bunch of details. Just a Yes or No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
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    +1
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    [QUOTE=Sparky508;1665784]He can watch me all he wants, but he canít see, as I have strategically wrapped my computer with foil. Sure itís hard to type but it matches my hat, so I figure Iím in good shape.[/QUOTE

    Heres an overachiever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
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    Whoever is "watching" me is probably dying of boredom
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    We in WI have been letting them know: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...pon-our-rights
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    What's the idea here, you give store owners a card if they have anti gun policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    What's the idea here, you give store owners a card if they have anti gun policies?
    Yes, and tell them all the business they'll lose by you not shopping there, as well as friends and family, the 27,000+ members on OCDO, and the millions of firearm owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Yes, and tell them all the business they'll lose by you not shopping there, as well as friends and family, the 27,000+ members on OCDO, and the millions of firearm owners.
    Unless they are a National firm, why would a local business care about what happens in any other State. The numbers are far smaller in WA State than the ones that you used. I'm afraid that most local businesses that don't like guns would just laugh when presented with these "facts".

    Going about ones business in a polite manner and dressed in an acceptable attire while carrying will go a lot farther in changing one's opinion than handing out "or else" cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Unless they are a National firm, why would a local business care about what happens in any other State. The numbers are far smaller in WA State than the ones that you used. I'm afraid that most local businesses that don't like guns would just laugh when presented with these "facts".

    Going about ones business in a polite manner and dressed in an acceptable attire while carrying will go a lot farther in changing one's opinion than handing out "or else" cards.
    +1

    The trouble with the whole "card approach" is that those tasked with enforcing these anti-gun policies at a business of any size (low level managers & minions) are not the ones in charge of creating or modifying policy. They're merely "following orders" , those giving the orders are well insulated from most attempts at reason and would never see the little cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Unless they are a National firm, why would a local business care about what happens in any other State. The numbers are far smaller in WA State than the ones that you used. I'm afraid that most local businesses that don't like guns would just laugh when presented with these "facts".

    Going about ones business in a polite manner and dressed in an acceptable attire while carrying will go a lot farther in changing one's opinion than handing out "or else" cards.
    We've had a lot of success here in WI. One gas station, PDQ, received tons of complaints and they recently took down their signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky508 View Post
    he can watch me all he wants, but he canít see, as i have strategically wrapped my computer with foil. Sure itís hard to type but it matches my hat, so i figure iím in good shape.

    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    We have all bought guns & filled out the form. We are on a fringe right wing extremist forum. We even have a few veterans around. By their own admission, they are watching us.



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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    I'm afraid that most local businesses that don't like guns would just laugh when presented with these "facts".
    exactly. back when i was a restaurant manager, we'd have the people that would give us the "i'm never ordering again and i'm telling all my friends not to order from you either". ok, thanks. bye bye.

    there was never any loss of business attributable to them going away. lose one crappy customer? no loss.

    most business owners and managers don't care about your little threats.
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