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    Coming to NM from Michigan

    What are the laws regarding OC in NM? And is New Mexico an OC friendly State?
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    New Mexico is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is increasingly common and law enforcement is well educated as to its legality. In addition, New Mexico has an extended domain law which effectively makes your vehicle an extention[sic] of your home. So you may carry openly or concealed in your vehicle.

    http://www.opencarry.org/nm.html


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    NHCGRPR45:

    Yeah..., BUT, New Mexico does NOT Allow Firearms-Carry at Alcohol Serving Establishments in as much as Michigan does under Michigan Codified Law 750.234d.

    New Mexico REQUIRES Concealed Carry at other than On-Premises Establishments and Generally Prohibits Carry at On-Premises Establishments, whereas, Michigan Requires Open Carry at ALL Establishments Licensed to Deal in Alcohol when The Person is so Licensed.

    An Additional Detail to Note is that in New Mexico, The Carry Age is 19, whereas, in Michigan, The Age is ONLY 18.

    Also, Michigan ALLOWS Permit holders to Possess Firearms on ALL School Premises and College Premises under Michigan Codified Law 750.237a, so as long as The Firearm is Carried Openly, together with a Permit. New Mexico Prohibits both.

    However, as a Plus, New Mexico is MUCH Easier to have a Firearm in a Motor Vehicle, as New Mexico is an 'Extended Domain' Law Jurisdiction, whereas, Michigan is NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    New Mexico is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is increasingly common and law enforcement is well educated as to its legality. In addition, New Mexico has an extended domain law which effectively makes your vehicle an extention[sic] of your home. So you may carry openly or concealed in your vehicle.

    http://www.opencarry.org/nm.html


    State Law New Mexico Statutes
    Skip those links and just go to the useful stuff:

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by aadvark View Post
    NHCGRPR45: Yeah..., BUT, New Mexico does NOT Allow Firearms-Carry at Alcohol Serving Establishments...
    AN ACT RELATING TO FIREARMS; ALLOWING CONCEALED HANDGUNS IN A
    RESTAURANT THAT SELLS BEER AND WINE AND DERIVES NO LESS THAN
    SIXTY PERCENT OF ITS ANNUAL GROSS RECEIPTS FROM THE SALE OF
    FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES

    30-7-3.
    A. Unlawful carrying of a firearm in an
    establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages
    consists of carrying a loaded or unloaded firearm on any
    premises licensed by the regulation and licensing department
    for the dispensing of alcoholic beverages except:..

    (4) by a person carrying a concealed handgun
    who is in possession of a valid concealed handgun license for
    that gun pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act on the
    premises of:..

    (b) a restaurant licensed to sell only
    beer and wine that derives no less than sixty percent of its
    annual gross receipts from the sale of food for consumption
    on the premises, unless the restaurant has a sign posted, in
    a conspicuous location at each public entrance, prohibiting
    the carrying of firearms, or the person is verbally
    instructed by the owner or manager that the carrying of a
    firearm is not permitted in the restaurant;

    The effective date of the provisions of this act is July 1, 2010.

    http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/10%2...nal/SB0040.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    AN ACT RELATING TO FIREARMS; ALLOWING CONCEALED HANDGUNS IN A
    RESTAURANT THAT SELLS BEER AND WINE AND DERIVES NO LESS THAN
    SIXTY PERCENT OF ITS ANNUAL GROSS RECEIPTS FROM THE SALE OF
    FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES

    30-7-3.
    A. Unlawful carrying of a firearm in an
    establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages
    consists of carrying a loaded or unloaded firearm on any
    premises licensed by the regulation and licensing department
    for the dispensing of alcoholic beverages except:..

    (4) by a person carrying a concealed handgun
    who is in possession of a valid concealed handgun license for
    that gun pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act on the
    premises of:..

    (b) a restaurant licensed to sell only
    beer and wine that derives no less than sixty percent of its
    annual gross receipts from the sale of food for consumption
    on the premises, unless the restaurant has a sign posted, in
    a conspicuous location at each public entrance, prohibiting
    the carrying of firearms, or the person is verbally
    instructed by the owner or manager that the carrying of a
    firearm is not permitted in the restaurant;

    The effective date of the provisions of this act is July 1, 2010.

    http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/10 R...nal/SB0040.pdf
    Ok, so just that I understand if they sell vodka then its a place off limits to me even if I have a CPL? Also, what are the knife laws since I carry a knife as well and is there any restrictions? blade length, AUTO knives carry restrictions? And what about a back-up gun and restrictions on that?? Thanks!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    Ok, so just that I understand if they sell vodka then its a place off limits to me even if I have a CPL? Also, what are the knife laws since I carry a knife as well and is there any restrictions? blade length, AUTO knives carry restrictions? And what about a back-up gun and restrictions on that?? Thanks!!!!
    If the place serves liquor then yes, it is off-limits.

    If it only sells liquor for off-site consumption, it is not off limits for permit-holders. CC necessary- no OC allowed.

    AFA knives, I'm not aware of length limits but I have read case law which details that auto-knives are illegal. This includes "butterfly" knives.

    You are only allowed to CC one gun here. If you have one open and one concealed you are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH.74 View Post
    If the place serves liquor then yes, it is off-limits.

    If it only sells liquor for off-site consumption, it is not off limits for permit-holders. CC necessary- no OC allowed.

    AFA knives, I'm not aware of length limits but I have read case law which details that auto-knives are illegal. This includes "butterfly" knives.

    You are only allowed to CC one gun here. If you have one open and one concealed you are good.
    So for shopping centers like a grocery store I would have to CC while in the store?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    So for shopping centers like a grocery store I would have to CC while in the store?
    Yes.

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    Ok is there any place else that is off limits for OC or CC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    Ok is there any place else that is off limits for OC or CC?
    The handlgunlaw.us link to the NM file that Castiel provided upthread has everything you need to know. The prohibited locations are clearly spelled out.

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    would a fixed blade knife be legal to carry concealed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    would a fixed blade knife be legal to carry concealed?
    The knife laws here are extremely vague:

    "any weapon which is capable of producing death or great bodily harm, including but not restricted to any types of
    daggers, brass knuckles, switchblade knives, bowie knives, poniards, butcher knives, dirk knives and all such weapons
    with which dangerous cuts can be given, or with which dangerous thrusts can be inflicted, including sword canes, and
    any kind of sharp pointed canes, also slingshots, slung shots, bludgeons; or any other weapons with which dangerous
    wounds can be inflicted; (Switchblades, Gravity Knives, Springs knives are illegal."

    I think anything short of a sword is fine. The las cruces police killed someone a couple years ago after he charged them with a sword. Completely justified IMO.

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    Drive AROUND Illinois!!
    Lower the crime rate by lowering the criminal survival rate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by castiel View Post
    The knife laws here are extremely vague:

    "any weapon which is capable of producing death or great bodily harm, including but not restricted to any types of
    daggers, brass knuckles, switchblade knives, bowie knives, poniards, butcher knives, dirk knives and all such weapons
    with which dangerous cuts can be given, or with which dangerous thrusts can be inflicted, including sword canes, and
    any kind of sharp pointed canes, also slingshots, slung shots, bludgeons; or any other weapons with which dangerous
    wounds can be inflicted; (Switchblades, Gravity Knives, Springs knives are illegal."

    I think anything short of a sword is fine. The las cruces police killed someone a couple years ago after he charged them with a sword. Completely justified IMO.
    The way I read it is no knives regardless of intent, I suppose I can live with that since i'll have a firearm, silly law but such are the times, and guns would be in that list as well "or any other weapons with which dangerous wounds can be inflicted"

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    Drive AROUND Illinois!!
    I am very well aware of the hazards of that state! I have already plotted a course around that hostile enviroment. Thank you!
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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    I understand I can't carry a concealed pistol into state parks but what about a long gun? or an un-loaded pistol concealed or not?
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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