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    Quinailt resort carry?

    So my wife is wanting to do a weekend trip out to the Quinault resort and I don't know what the laws for carrying on tribal land are. Anyone have any info and or OC experience out there

    Any information would be helpful thank you for your time

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    Someone a little more helpful will chime in, but as I recall, tribal laws (re: firearms) only apply to tribal members, however the whole res is sovereign land (private property), and while I hear the tribes are generally fairly carry-friendly, like any other private property you can be asked to leave. When I spent a few days at the Tulalip resort a couple years back I just concealed most of the time.
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    The tribes are allowed to make their own laws, preemption does not apply. I'd hate to ask the police what the law is, but in this case that might be your best bet, i.e. call the tribal police for the reservation your going to and ask them. And as far as I know, they cannot charge you with a crime, but can hold you for the nearest WA LEA to come pick you up if you violate their laws.
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    I second the notion of contacting them. http://www.quinaultindiannation.com/contactus1.htm The numbers for their Public Safety Dept. and Tribal Gaming Commission are listed.

    Per http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/jurisdiction.htm you could end up being charged with an Indian crime, a state crime and a federal crime and not be protected by the double-jeopardy rule.

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    Those who go about their business in a reasonable manner, and don't display a lot of "attitude", are usually ignored. I'd at least make sure I had my CPL on me and if asked to cover, do so. Would sure beat the hassle of having the firearm confiscated by the Tribal Officer and then escorted off the reservation. Might be real hard to get the firearm back due to their "sovereign status".
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    Just an extra FYI here....
    Most of the Tribal Police are now fully accredited with Washington State, so the old "they can only hold you for a certain period" no longer applies. I have contacted several of the Tribal Judges and most just follow state law on the matter. I currently have a letter to the Tribal Judge for the Tulalip Reservation and am waiting on the reply.



    Casino areas off limits to those under 21 still apply to your firearm.

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    What they dont know dont hurt them, C/C. When I lived in Ocean Shores I open carried everywhere, no problem. The Quinault Casino I concealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    Just an extra FYI here....
    Most of the Tribal Police are now fully accredited with Washington State, so the old "they can only hold you for a certain period" no longer applies. I have contacted several of the Tribal Judges and most just follow state law on the matter. I currently have a letter to the Tribal Judge for the Tulalip Reservation and am waiting on the reply.



    Casino areas off limits to those under 21 still apply to your firearm.
    Here is the Tulalip and Snohomish county agreement. http://www.ncai.org/ncai/resource/ag...0Agreement.pdf

    Do you know if the Tribal Laws are published anywhere? I have heard they 'follow state law' (which is also called out in the agreement), however the agreement says they also have the right to enforce tribal law (which I would assume), I just cant find it posted online.

    For the record, I have not had any issues OC on the Tulalip Reservation. I also never had any issue in MT (where the reservations are larger than counties), I understand they have an agreement with MT to only follow state law for non-tribal members.
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    Called the tribe

    So after contacting the tribe and waiting on hold for over 30 min I was told that in order for a non-tribal member to OC or CC I had to register at their police station. However that person did not know the requirements to become registered.

    So there is the answer, thank you so much for all the info and support.

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    the hardest part would be explaining to the wife why you're being escorted off their land in the middle of "her" weekend.
    could be worse than facing the cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Would sure beat the hassle of having the firearm confiscated by the Tribal Officer and then escorted off the reservation. Might be real hard to get the firearm back due to their "sovereign status".
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    LoL you have no idea Dave she has been pushing for a get away weekend for about a year now just hard to find some one to watch are three kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd1981 View Post
    The tribes are allowed to make their own laws, preemption does not apply. I'd hate to ask the police what the law is, but in this case that might be your best bet, i.e. call the tribal police for the reservation your going to and ask them. And as far as I know, they cannot charge you with a crime, but can hold you for the nearest WA LEA to come pick you up if you violate their laws.
    Incorrect. "Tribal laws" cannot be applied to non-tribal members. A non-tribal member must be in violation of a county or state code in order to be held criminally liable. The most they can do to you for breaking their rules is to trespass you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zdoom View Post
    So after contacting the tribe and waiting on hold for over 30 min I was told that in order for a non-tribal member to OC or CC I had to register at their police station. However that person did not know the requirements to become registered.

    So there is the answer, thank you so much for all the info and support.
    This is only to be in compliance with their "rules". It just lets the tribal police know that you have met their rules and have been authorized by their chief to carry a firearm on their land. Most of the time they will just sign your license on the back. Without the signature the only recourse they have is to trespass you from their land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Someone a little more helpful will chime in, but as I recall, tribal laws (re: firearms) only apply to tribal members, however the whole res is sovereign land (private property), and while I hear the tribes are generally fairly carry-friendly, like any other private property you can be asked to leave. When I spent a few days at the Tulalip resort a couple years back I just concealed most of the time.
    This is pretty much how I have always understood it as well. Tribal laws (and their punishments) can only be directly enforced against tribal members, all others are normally just trespassed unless a State/County law was also broken in the process of breaking tribal law. (Such as carrying in a bar on tribal land)

    You CAN let them know ahead of time to try and head off any misunderstanding that may arise, but I never have, and I have never had an issue.

    That said, I CC when I go to tribal land about 90% of the time anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    Incorrect. "Tribal laws" cannot be applied to non-tribal members. A non-tribal member must be in violation of a county or state code in order to be held criminally liable. The most they can do to you for breaking their rules is to trespass you.
    I'm not sure what you got out of my post, but thats pretty close to what I had stated.

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    It has always been my policy to try keep in as good graces with the tribes as is possible. If you respect their tribal rights as you would a neighbors private property rights you will find that they will reciprocate. ( I used to own land that borded a res)

    My suggestion is, check in with the police/tribal council when you get there. They will most likely give you clearance to carry based on your CPL, and you will mke some good political points at the same time...you never know when those points will help you.

    Just based on my experience. The Quinalts are not an unreasonable tribe. Think about it this way, you were not instantly refused, Right..shows there is room to carry there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd1981 View Post
    I'm not sure what you got out of my post, but thats pretty close to what I had stated.
    I was referring to the part where you said "but can hold you for the nearest WA LEA to come pick you up if you violate their laws.".

    They cannot hold you for violating their laws because their laws do not apply to non-tribal members.
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    For what it's worth, I stopped for gas at the indian reservation near the Twin Bridges between Anacortes and Burlington. Went inside and was informed by the police officer standing inside (guess he was stationed there) that carrying inside tribal buildings by non tribal members was not allowed.

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    Thank you all

    Well let me saythank you to every one for all the support and help answering my question. But like all wifes my wife wen and changed plans on me so now we will be heading down to the Oregon coast. Should be nice just wish that they would respect ar CCW but that is alright will just have to Play it safe. Know that the city where the hotel is at has not restrictions on loaded open carry but don't know about the citys around it or the ones we will be driving though to get there. So I am gouing to play it safe on the drive there and unload and lock My handgun up until I get to the hotel and then load up only when I am in that city. Not ideal but I like that beter then fines and or jail time.


    So one more time thank you all for you fast and helpful response nd I hope that every one has a nice and safe holidays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfebane View Post
    For what it's worth, I stopped for gas at the indian reservation near the Twin Bridges between Anacortes and Burlington. Went inside and was informed by the police officer standing inside (guess he was stationed there) that carrying inside tribal buildings by non tribal members was not allowed.
    Just tell him you are a descendant of an ancient tribe that originated in the Garden of Eden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zdoom View Post
    Well let me saythank you to every one for all the support and help answering my question. But like all wifes my wife wen and changed plans on me so now we will be heading down to the Oregon coast. Should be nice just wish that they would respect ar CCW but that is alright will just have to Play it safe. Know that the city where the hotel is at has not restrictions on loaded open carry but don't know about the citys around it or the ones we will be driving though to get there. So I am gouing to play it safe on the drive there and unload and lock My handgun up until I get to the hotel and then load up only when I am in that city. Not ideal but I like that beter then fines and or jail time.


    So one more time thank you all for you fast and helpful response nd I hope that every one has a nice and safe holidays
    If memory serves me correct, I just looked this up in June, Newport is the only city on the coast that bans open carry without a permit.
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    handgunlaw.us has researched this topic and posted information on the topic of carrying firearms on Indian lands.

    www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf Just scroll down to Washington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    handgunlaw.us has researched this topic and posted information on the topic of carrying firearms on Indian lands.

    www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf Just scroll down to Washington.
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    Newport too eh? The one on teh coast that I know about is Astoria.

    Interesting tidbit...Oregon state law is such that a license from a "governmental authority" is all you need in those cities that ban loaded OC, to legally loaded OC.

    I noticed that the WA guy that was arrested in Astoria was released, not charged, and his weapon was returned to him...so WA CPL must be a ligit "governmntal authority" for purposed of loaded OC. (it absolutely is not good for CC, Oregon only recognizes their own CWP for concealed carry, no one elses. but for purposes of loaded OC, a permit/license from any "governmental authority" is what the OR law states.

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