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illegal gun sales
- Thread starter Snazuolu
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2a4all
Regular Member
Here's an interesting story from WVEC-TV in Norfolk:
http://www.wvec.com/my-city/norfolk...ho-cant-pass-background-checks-135750958.html
I called the station right after the broadcast, and asked what was illegal about the gun sale that they attempted. (The on-air story did mention that private sales are legal in VA.) The person I spoke with claimed that it's wrong to conduct such sales, and that all a private seller has to do is call the state police to run a background check. He also said that many people felt that a background check should be required for every sale. He claimed that their story was really a story about Bloomberg's efforts to identify illegal gun sales and sellers. But he wouldn't tell me what law was being violated by the station's attempt to purchase the rifle. He refused to debate the issue with me and hung up the phone.:uhoh:
http://www.wvec.com/my-city/norfolk...ho-cant-pass-background-checks-135750958.html
I called the station right after the broadcast, and asked what was illegal about the gun sale that they attempted. (The on-air story did mention that private sales are legal in VA.) The person I spoke with claimed that it's wrong to conduct such sales, and that all a private seller has to do is call the state police to run a background check. He also said that many people felt that a background check should be required for every sale. He claimed that their story was really a story about Bloomberg's efforts to identify illegal gun sales and sellers. But he wouldn't tell me what law was being violated by the station's attempt to purchase the rifle. He refused to debate the issue with me and hung up the phone.:uhoh:
TFred
Regular Member
If he didn't complete the transaction, how does he know it wasn't some LEA running a sting? Maybe most of the people who say they are willing to buy and sell without regard to eligibility are LEAs running stings? Hmm...?
TFred
John Canuck
Regular Member
user
Accomplished Advocate
I listened to that story fairly carefully. I had the impression that the entire thing was about private intrastate transfers. It had nothing to do with real dealers. They were simply mischaracterizing private parties as "dealers" simply because they were engaged in selling their own property. They did have a recording of some "undercover" guy talking on the 'phone with a prospective seller, and saying something about how he was worried he might not pass a background check if he'd bought from a real dealer, and the seller said something about how private sellers don't have to do background checks. That was the most damning evidence they had. (I was thinking at the time that Fox (D.C. air channel 5) is broadcasting this into Maryland, where the possession or use of an unconsensual recording of a private conversation is a felony.)
zoom6zoom
Regular Member
Heck, any two of us could record some made up conversation saying anything we wanted to. How can you prove it's real and not made up?
Consider the source.
Has he/she proven reliable and accurate in the past? Then you verify/confirm the facts.
Bloomie doesn't conform to the standards of honest and forthright reporting - I understate my case.
Old Virginia Joe
Regular Member
This reminds me of the situation I like to remind people of:
We, today, have LESS freedoms than the colonists did under Great Britain. And today, we "proudly" refer to ourselves as the "Land of the 'free' and the home of the Brave." The first part of that clause is a complete joke. The colonists were pissed off enough at their lack of freedom then to initiate and fight a real War, and we today, who are more subjected than they were, settle with simply bragging about how free we are (compared to the rest of the world)! We don't know what freedom is anymore, we have been boiling in the pot with the frogs so long . . . . . . We're happy just as long as we have five bars on our cellphones, and a great package of cable channels for a reasonable price. We are so screwed . . . . .
I won't go too far into this Joe. It would be a violation of board rules...but you are mostly right.
If I recall from our PM's, you're a student of history, real history, not what's taught these days.
The colonists were not united in their desire to rebel. Many felt, just as many today, that you can't buck the system, but a few wouldn't stand for it. There were rebellious people long before the war began.
There are many among us now that take our freedom as originally intended, very seriously. Grapeshot is among the most steady freedom lovers and spends nearly every waking moment, peacefully and lawfully, educating others. Skidmark spent a year of his life fighting a corrupt system because he dared to speak up. User is our sword, who feels more strongly about the values of this country than anyone I know. Wylde...as wild as he is, takes his beliefs with him to the trenches every day, Thundar flat won't take it anymore.
I just take pictures!
I was criticized recently for being "out of line" with someone who advocates the "just go along to stay out of trouble", theory. The fellow that made the remark, was from a state that cut and ran during the war of Northern Aggression. I suppose he's just carrying on his states tradition of just going along.
There is a considerable amount of difference of opinions, even between gun owners these days but it is inaccurate to paint us all as "settle with simply bragging about how free we are".
Freedom is a state of mind and doing, not just some meaningless words. There are more freedom loving people than you think and as the economy gets worse and the Government tightens it's grip....the ranks are growing.
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MKEgal
Regular Member
Which brings up an interesting point... how does old law accomodate new technology?p.publius said:
Is it face to face if we s_kype or use another teleconference service?
And once I PayPal you the money for the box (since PP doesn't allow $ for sales of firearms), I am the owner, so as long as we're in the same state it can legally be shipped to me.
If they're not licensed, they're not a dealer.
Me selling my car does not make me a car d_ealer.
If I did it in volume, then yes.
If the "reporter" can prove that the citizens they investigated sold more than [whatever the legal limit on private sales in a month is] then they can be persecuted.
And some of those anti-gun folks are also in positions of power in the gov't.TFred said:
Witness our own police chief & mayor in Milwaukee, WI.
Unless there are more exceptions than just what you've quoted there, it appears that any FFL who ships a gun to an FFL instead of to the owner, as well as everyone involved in the shipping business, are felons.Grapeshot said:
How many have been prosecuted?
Are there other exceptions, or is my logic faulty?
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Old Virginia Joe
Regular Member
(I cannot figure out how y'all get the bold print typing on-screen, thus the all caps--I'm such a computer duffer--sorry!).
click and hold down your left mouse button at the start of the text you want to make bold. Drag the mouse to the end of the text you want in bold and release the mouse button. If you've done it correctly you should see your selected text highlighted. If so, look above the text box you're typing in and you should see some formatting options. On my screen there are 3 lines, the middle line begins B I U, click on the B and your text will be bold.
if you can't do it like that then, before the start of what you want to bold, type "{B]" (change the { for a [ and without the " s) and then, at the end of what you want in bold, type "{/B]" (again change the { for a [ and without the " s).
Hope this helps
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Old Virginia Joe
Regular Member
{B]How's this? {B] If it works, Thanks!! ( I won't know until after I hit "submit.")
Old Virginia Joe
Regular Member
{B] try again {/B]
change the { to a [ in both of them.
I had to type it incorrectly so it would show up
papa bear
Regular Member
after some of the reporting i have seen recently. i don't think there is a fair and unbiased "news" reporter in VA.:banghead:
Wolf_shadow
Activist Member
Where you have the { replace it with [ Also before hitting submit try the preview button and it will show what your post will look like.
TFred
Regular Member
You can use the HTML tags (the "<>" button) to illustrate the vBulletin markup examples:
HTML:
vBulletin attribute tag examples:
This is plaintext
[B]This will be bold.[/B]
[U]This will be underlined.[/U]
[I]This will be italics.[/I]Like this without the HTML tags:
vBulletin attribute tag examples:
This is plaintext
This will be bold.
This will be underlined.
This will be italics.
The HTML tags look like this:
PHP:
[HTML]Text you want to not be parsed and displayed.[/HTML](For some reason, nesting the HTML tags to demonstrate the HTML tags didn't work! Probably a bug in vBulletin.)
TFred
PS: Your editing options also depend on which option you pick on this set-up page:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/profile.php?do=editoptions
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