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    OC Meet and greet.... LakeDelton/WI Dells Ponderosa... Friday 23 Dec 2011...

    Anyone interested in this? Im craving those wings!

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    I'm in. I think Mlutz is in too.

    Oh, and just so everyone knows I do believe they serve alcohol so CCL's are required with the usual caveat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I'm in. I think Mlutz is in too.

    Oh, and just so everyone knows I do believe they serve alcohol so CCL's are required with the usual caveat.

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    If its late enough in the evening, I should be able to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    If its late enough in the evening, I should be able to make it.
    Freakin' 2nd shifters...

    How late is late enough?

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    Sounds like a good time. Wish I could make it, but Friday is our family Christmas dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    Freakin' 2nd shifters...

    How late is late enough?

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    Well... Around 5pm would be GREAT! Lol. I could do earlier if I had to. Its Glocks event, pick a time and let me know.
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    Would 5.30 work? What time can Brass make it?

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    Might be able to make it. Hope those wings are all they are cracked up to be.
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    yeah..the wings are good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockRDH View Post
    Would 5.30 work? What time can Brass make it?
    Yup, 5:30 is fine with me.

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    I'm a FIB who hasn't OCed or CCed since the new law took effect. What is the caveat about them serving alcohol in regards to both CC and OC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I'm a FIB who hasn't OCed or CCed since the new law took effect. What is the caveat about them serving alcohol in regards to both CC and OC?
    If you carry under your license/permit, you cannot consume. If you have permission from the owner to be there, you can consume and you have to OC since you can only CC with a license.
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    So I can OC or CC (with license) if I don't consume? That's fine. I don't drink and shoot, I don't drink and drive, and I don't drink and derive.

    Math joke FTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    So I can OC or CC (with license) if I don't consume? That's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisc. Stats.
    941.237 Carrying handgun where alcohol beverages may be sold and consumed.
    (2) Whoever intentionally goes armed with a handgun on any premises for which a Class “B” or “Class B” license or permit has been issued under ch. 125 is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    (3) Subsection (2) does not apply to any of the following:
    [ ... ]
    (cx) A licensee, as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (d), or an out−of−state licensee, as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (g), if the licensee or out−of−state licensee is not consuming alcohol on the premises.
    NOTE: Par. (cx) is created eff. 11−1−11 by 2011 Wis. Act 35.
    [ ... ]
    (g) The possession or use of a handgun on the premises if authorized for a specific event of limited duration by the owner or manager of the premises who is issued the Class “B” or “Class B” license or permit under ch. 125 for the premises.
    [ ... ]
    (4) The state does not have to negate any exception under sub.(3). Any party that claims that an exception under sub. (3) is applicable has the burden of proving the exception by a preponderance of the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    So I can OC or CC (with license) if I don't consume? That's fine. I don't drink and shoot, I don't drink and drive, and I don't drink and derive.

    Math joke FTW!
    i get the math joke...lol...

    IF you are CC, you CANT comsume alcohol... but if you OC, you have to have 'permission' to be there...AND you can have a beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    Act 35 placeholder
    Needlessly cryptic response.

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    It takes a moment to do YOUR research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    It takes a moment to do YOUR research.
    You would think that people on an OC advocacy site would want to make it easier for others to participate, but perhaps I'm wrong.

    Yes, I could spend the time deciphering the lawyer-speak of Act 35, but why not just ask the people here, those that have been living it for almost two months now, to give me the run down?

    I don't know about you, but when I meet a new shooter I go out of my way to make it easy and enjoyable when I teach them. I WANT new shooters to fall in love with shooting and become life long advocates. Similarily I want people to be life long advocates of all their rights including the 2A. So why make is needlessly difficult for them, or for me?

    *rant off.

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    You should accept legal advise or legal interpretations from ONLY your personal attorney paid to advocate in your favor.

    The DoJ concealed carry crap page lies and 'suggests' against YOUR interests. If you can't understand Act 35 and the changes it made to Wisconsin law and are too cheap to pay an attorney then ... maybe... you ... shouldn't....rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    You should accept legal advise or legal interpretations from ONLY your personal attorney paid to advocate in your favor.

    The DoJ concealed carry crap page lies and 'suggests' against YOUR interests. If you can't understand Act 35 and the changes it made to Wisconsin law and are too cheap to pay an attorney then ... maybe... you ... shouldn't....rant
    quit being a di ck, koch he just asked a question get over it so what if it has been asked before

    heaven for bid someone ask a question in a FORUM where people talk, ask and answer questons

    if you dont want to answer or participate in a positive way then stay out of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    You should accept legal advise or legal interpretations from ONLY your personal attorney paid to advocate in your favor.

    The DoJ concealed carry crap page lies and 'suggests' against YOUR interests. If you can't understand Act 35 and the changes it made to Wisconsin law and are too cheap to pay an attorney then ... maybe... you ... shouldn't....rant
    I have to be, or consult, a lawyer before I come up to WI now? I understand that ANY advice given here is not legal advice, but I was just hoping for a quick rundown of how OC and CC worked in an establishment that served alcohol.

    I have received the quick rundown, and I thank OC.org for the info. I will stop this line of bickering, as I don't wish the thread to devolve any further.

    Have a Merry Christmas Koch, seriously, it's the best time of the year!

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    Ok then. If I come it will be CC. I prefer OC, as it's more comfortable, and it's a way to educate people on the law.

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    Ugh.....If you have a CCL you can OC or CC in an establishment with a class B. Our CCL does not differentiate on open or concealed.

    Without a CCL, yes, it's cloudy. You have to basically get written (to be safe) permission from the owner for a specific event.

    So, the short answer is that in this case, if you don't have a CCL, you can't carry this Friday. If you have a CCL you can.

    This is why I put "with the usual caveat" in my other post. I didn't want to clutter this thread with this stuff.

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    hmm. i'm renting a car and taking my cousin xmas shopping that day. hopefully ill be done by then and can drive up by 5 or so. Cheers!

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