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    Maine now has reciprocal agreement with Michigan

    Maine has reciprocal agreements with the following States for resident concealed handgun permits:

    Delaware (March 13, 2009)
    South Dakota (May 18, 2009)
    Louisiana (June 25, 2009)
    North Dakota - Class 1 Permits (June 7, 2010)
    Wyoming (June 7, 2010)
    Arkansas (June 21, 2010)
    Pennsylvania (November 1, 2011)
    Michigan (November 9, 2011)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Maine has reciprocal agreements with the following States for resident concealed handgun permits:

    Delaware (March 13, 2009)
    South Dakota (May 18, 2009)
    Louisiana (June 25, 2009)
    North Dakota - Class 1 Permits (June 7, 2010)
    Wyoming (June 7, 2010)
    Arkansas (June 21, 2010)
    Pennsylvania (November 1, 2011)
    Michigan (November 9, 2011)
    Michigan's permit being recognized in Maine makes them the first state to have reciprocity with every state the recognizes out of state permits. Sadly for those in Maine it did not add another state that they can carry in because Michigan already recognizes all resident carry permits.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Michigan's permit being recognized in Maine makes them the first state to have reciprocity with every state the recognizes out of state permits. Sadly for those in Maine it did not add another state that they can carry in because Michigan already recognizes all resident carry permits.

    Still good for tourism in Maine. We welcome Michiganians now!

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    now get one with Georgia and ill be happy as a clam...:-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Maine has reciprocal agreements with the following States for resident concealed handgun permits:

    Delaware (March 13, 2009)
    South Dakota (May 18, 2009)
    Louisiana (June 25, 2009)
    North Dakota - Class 1 Permits (June 7, 2010)
    Wyoming (June 7, 2010)
    Arkansas (June 21, 2010)
    Pennsylvania (November 1, 2011)
    Michigan (November 9, 2011)
    I'm surprised Tennessee is not on that list yet. We even have reciprocity with Nevada and Minnesota, which are probably among the five most restrictive states regarding which out-of-state permits they will recognize (among those that recognize ANY out-of-state permits, of course). This is especially true given how strict our requirements are (age 21 requirement, 8-hour class with a written test and a live-fire range test, and no permits offered to non-residents).

    Anyway, it would be cool if you or someone else in Maine get in touch with your Attorney General (or whoever handles reciprocity agreements) and see if they can get us added.
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    Maine Permit Honored in:
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    Paul where are we with NH? All of this is great news but with so many hundreds of miles of border NH would be the prize for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nascar24Glock View Post
    I'm surprised Tennessee is not on that list yet. We even have reciprocity with Nevada and Minnesota, which are probably among the five most restrictive states regarding which out-of-state permits they will recognize (among those that recognize ANY out-of-state permits, of course). This is especially true given how strict our requirements are (age 21 requirement, 8-hour class with a written test and a live-fire range test, and no permits offered to non-residents).

    Anyway, it would be cool if you or someone else in Maine get in touch with your Attorney General (or whoever handles reciprocity agreements) and see if they can get us added.
    Maine is just not good with reciprocity. I know someone in Michigan who was acting like a middle man contacting Michigan AGs office and I think the Chief who issues the Maine permits to try to get the reciprocity. Took about a year to get it done but eventually they got it.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    We are very close to New Hampster permits. Unions are fighting it because they perform the background checks and the permits are no longer $40 for a non-resident but $100. They hired extra staff to handle the volume.

    I had a 62 year old female with no record and she received her Maine Resident permit in 114 days. The logjam is at Dorothea Dix Psychiatric Hospital processing to see if applicants are or were residents there. This poor woman applied for a new US Passport a week later and received it in 19 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    We are very close to New Hampster permits. Unions are fighting it because they perform the background checks and the permits are no longer $40 for a non-resident but $100. They hired extra staff to handle the volume.

    I had a 62 year old female with no record and she received her Maine Resident permit in 114 days. The logjam is at Dorothea Dix Psychiatric Hospital processing to see if applicants are or were residents there. This poor woman applied for a new US Passport a week later and received it in 19 days.
    I contacted Senator Jon Courtney earlier this week in regards to not meeting the 30 day required timeline. This is the response from a staffer:

    Mr. Sagner,



    I spoke with the Maine State Police this afternoon. I was told due to the volume of claims it is near impossible to get the claims out by 30 days. In regards to the system, currently we only have one clerk processing over 6,000 claims a year. It takes time, but I ensure you the State Police are doing their best to get these processed as quickly as possible. I have passed all this information along to Senator Garrett Mason who is the chair of the Criminal Justice Committee. I hope we can work to make the process more efficient in the near future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and if we can ever be of any assistance please feel free to call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashlight View Post
    I contacted Senator Jon Courtney earlier this week in regards to not meeting the 30 day required timeline. This is the response from a staffer:

    Mr. Sagner,



    I spoke with the Maine State Police this afternoon. I was told due to the volume of claims it is near impossible to get the claims out by 30 days. In regards to the system, currently we only have one clerk processing over 6,000 claims a year. It takes time, but I ensure you the State Police are doing their best to get these processed as quickly as possible. I have passed all this information along to Senator Garrett Mason who is the chair of the Criminal Justice Committee. I hope we can work to make the process more efficient in the near future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and if we can ever be of any assistance please feel free to call.

    It's a statutory obligation to issue the permit within 30 days. Therefore, if they don't have the manpower to do the research they need to do, they have two legal options. They can issue the permit without getting the information from the Hospital and if they get info later on that disqualifies the person, then they can yank the permit by that means. Or they can hire more people to process permits. Waiting 114 days for a permit when the statute says MUST ISSUE WITHIN 30 DAYS is not acceptable. What if I said, I don't want to pay my taxes because I'm only one person and processing the paperwork required for filing my taxes will take an extra 114 days? Answer: I'd get arrested for tax evasion. It's not the way a government should function.
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    Title 25: INTERNAL SECURITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY
    Part 5: PUBLIC SAFETY
    Chapter 252: PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS


    12. Permit for a resident of 5 or more years to be issued or denied within 30 days; permit for a nonresident and resident of less than 5 years to be issued or denied within 60 days. The issuing authority, as defined in this chapter, shall issue or deny, and reply in writing as to the reason for any denial, within 30 days of the application date in the case of a resident of 5 or more years and within 60 days of the application date in the case of a nonresident or in the case of a resident of less than 5 years. If the issuing authority does not issue or deny a request for a permit renewal within the time limits specified in this subsection, the validity of the expired permit is extended until the issuing authority issues or denies the renewal.
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    Paul you're a wealth of information.

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    Paul who do you think is the strongest supporter of gun rights in republican primary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nascar24Glock View Post
    I'm surprised Tennessee is not on that list yet. We even have reciprocity with Nevada and Minnesota, which are probably among the five most restrictive states regarding which out-of-state permits they will recognize (among those that recognize ANY out-of-state permits, of course). This is especially true given how strict our requirements are (age 21 requirement, 8-hour class with a written test and a live-fire range test, and no permits offered to non-residents).

    Anyway, it would be cool if you or someone else in Maine get in touch with your Attorney General (or whoever handles reciprocity agreements) and see if they can get us added.
    Don't forget one of the highest licensing fees. I don't know of any states that charge more than our $115. And that's after the class, which is anywhere between $50-75.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    Don't forget one of the highest licensing fees. I don't know of any states that charge more than our $115. And that's after the class, which is anywhere between $50-75.
    In MI we're 105 for up to five years but it expires on your birthday so it could be for just over 4 for the first year. The lowest I've seen a class go for here is $100. Everything else is normally $150 plus.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
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    I think he's referring to the fact that TN is not recognized in Maine because it is honored in other states that are hard to obtain reciprocity with.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    I think he's referring to the fact that TN is not recognized in Maine because it is honored in other states that are hard to obtain reciprocity with.
    Exactly. I already know that TN accepts every other state's permits. It's just surprising to me that more states don't accept ours considering all of the restrictions in place for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    Exactly. I already know that TN accepts every other state's permits. It's just surprising to me that more states don't accept ours considering all of the restrictions in place for it.
    The reason is probably that your attorney general(s) have not worked that hard to gain reciprocity.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    Exactly. I already know that TN accepts every other state's permits. It's just surprising to me that more states don't accept ours considering all of the restrictions in place for it.
    Not too shabby if you ask me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Not too shabby if you ask me...

    TN reciprocity
    No kidding. Maine is the only state between them and having recognition in every state that recognizes out of state permits.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    Don't forget one of the highest licensing fees. I don't know of any states that charge more than our $115. And that's after the class, which is anywhere between $50-75.
    Texas is $140 for a 5 year license, plus the initial class runs $100-125 from a private instructor. Plenty of grumbling about that in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhenriksen View Post
    Texas is $140 for a 5 year license, plus the initial class runs $100-125 from a private instructor. Plenty of grumbling about that in Texas.
    Ouch. Granted, that's 5 years instead of our 4, but that much for the class is a bit outlandish.
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    MAINE 4-YEAR RESIDENT PERMIT: Fee of $35.00 for new applicants (If you are renewing and your permit expired over six months ago, you are considered a new applicant at the $35.00 fee.), or a fee of $20.00 for a renewal, or a fee of $2.00 for a duplicate or a change of address made payable to:
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