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    Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights

    Passed by voters in 1998, Washington's law allows patients with terminal or debilitating conditions to use marijuana. Qualifying conditions include cancer, HIV, multiple sclerosis, glaucoma and "intractable pain." It also includes anorexia, as a disease that results in nausea, vomiting and wasting away.

    http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/16/get-a-medical-marijuana-card-lose-your-s/print

    If you are a medical marijuana patient in one of the 16 states (plus the District of Columbia) that allow for it, you’ve got reason to believe lately that the government has it in for you.



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    Merely having a state medical marijuana card, BATFE insists, means that you fall afoul of Sect. 922(g) of the federal criminal code (from the 1968 federal Gun Control Act), which says that anyone “who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance”
    Having a drivers license, does not mean you actually drive. Having a MJ card, does not mean you actually use MJ. The ATF is simply wrong.

    And as the article points out, the Oregon Supreme Court disagrees with the ATF. http://volokh.com/2011/05/19/oregon-...al-drug-users/

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    This was extensively talked about here: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...a-card-holders
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    You know I was beginning to loosen my thoughts on the subject than I watched some recent shows on the tube covering the subject. No disrespect to those who truly are in pain, terminally ill, and look to POT as a last resort to escape. But the majority of what I saw on these shows depicted nothing more than how to become a “drug dealer or drug user, they boosted! They advertised and dispensed like a Navy Corpsman gives out Motrin. It was clearly a **** load of snake oil salesman in it for the money.

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    The Feds have already lost on this before, I cannot understand how they keep it up. Way back in 1976???? the feds were sued, and lost, and part of the settlement was a program where certain people were "enrolled" in a "study program" (it is still going on) where the feds grew the MJ at the University of Mississippi, it is processed to a very specific consistancy and GIVEN to the enrollees.

    Can't remember which President closed the program to new enrollees,,,older Bush??? but I cannot understand (but then I can) how someone has not sued the feds again to open the study program up again...

    Why have the feds not been sued? It would drive the price of MJ down from $10 an oz to $1 a pound if MJ was just decriminalized. Guess what, the gangster/cartel problem would automatically disappear because there would be no money in it any more. Just like alcohol prohibition, the rum runner problem just disappeared. Why? There was no money in it any more.

    look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass...w_Drug_program
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    You know I was beginning to loosen my thoughts on the subject than I watched some recent shows on the tube covering the subject. No disrespect to those who truly are in pain, terminally ill, and look to POT as a last resort to escape. But the majority of what I saw on these shows depicted nothing more than how to become a “drug dealer or drug user, they boosted! They advertised and dispensed like a Navy Corpsman gives out Motrin. It was clearly a **** load of snake oil salesman in it for the money.
    50% of Americans take prescription drugs. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/health...smedicated.htm

    1/10 of America is on Antidepressants (1 out of every 10 people in America!).

    72% of anti-depressant prescriptions are written to people with no mental health issue http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/0...ric-diagnosis/

    Antidepressants fail to beat placebo. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BK1ZU20111221

    20% of Americans have used prescription drugs for "non-medical" reasons (abuse) http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/p...drugabuse.html

    Here's a great video about the drug that is responsible for 75% of all drug deaths http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEA5GBRRSVA (hint, you get it from a Doctor, it's manufactured by a pharmaceutical company). Here's a higher quality version if you do Hulu http://www.hulu.com/watch/100279/van...contin-express

    Want to know about the real drug pushers in this country? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ical_companies
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    But the majority of what I saw on these shows depicted nothing more than how to become a “drug dealer or drug user, they boosted! They advertised and dispensed like a Navy Corpsman gives out Motrin. It was clearly a **** load of snake oil salesman in it for the money.
    For the sake of argument, I will assume that your observations is correct. Then, I ask "So what"?

    Do Americans need the Federal Government to protect themselves from themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Brent View Post
    For the sake of argument, I will assume that your observations is correct. Then, I ask "So what"?

    Do Americans need the Federal Government to protect themselves from themselves?

    OF COURSE WE DO!!! The people can't be trusted after all! Alcohol prohibition was such a such a stunning success after all....




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    Liars pushing POT

    I gather from reading some of the comments directed at my post I was too vague, so here’s it is again, and some, and Ignoring the anti-government rants because they don’t’ even come close to addressing my comment.

    “You know I was beginning to loosen my thoughts on the subject than I watched some recent shows on the tube covering the subject.
    (These shows clearly proved the false medical front is there, it solely presents an opportunity for entrepreneurs. I like that, I like capitalism, but the BS comes in the false claims of medical use and cure, when actually purpose behind the dispensing is to profit off others)


    No disrespect to those who truly are in pain, terminally ill, and look to POT as a last resort to escape
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    (Escape: If cannabis put’s their minds in place that masks the pain through their pleasure of being high, I can live with that, with limitations of course.)


    But the majority of what I saw on these shows depicted nothing more than how to become a “drug dealer or drug user, they boosted!
    (They made no effort to hide the fact they pedal pot to profit, again the med claims was a false front)


    They advertised and dispensed like a Navy Corpsman gives out Motrin.
    (Navy Joke) It was clearly a **** load of snake oil salesman in it for the money.” (Clearly a shady venture. Now nothing wrong with making money, but when it rips others off under false pretenses we have a problem, IMO.)


    My position is this, if the POT pushers want a legitimate industry I believe they need to abandon the false front, and present the truth. That truth being they want to go to 7-eleven and buy a couple of joints to get stoned, just as the person who goes there to buy a couple of quart’s of Colt-45 to get their drunk on. Drop the BS false advertising and just say they want to legalize to get stoned; us pot as a legal means of recreation, enjoyment, or abuse it, just as alcohol. Just present the truth as the facts.

    Even I may sign a petition to legalize if they would quit playing with others, profiting off lies, and tell us the real reason. To make it legit the cause is going to have to come clean, and become legit.

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    jbone, do you think that maybe (just maybe) the media sensationalized the story and substantially misrepresented it? I mean, you are citing as your souce "The Tube!" The MsM never does that on gun issues. Right? And MMJ is a popular, polarizing issue (that equals ratings), so reporters and editors wouldn't do it there either. (those were rhetorical questions)

    And you admit that a percentage are using MMJ legitimately. Why should they admit anything like what you suggest - because MMJ making a positive health change in their lives. They have a health chronic health condition. A doctor advised them MMJ might help, and the only source are illegal dispensary (some dispensaries being more 'legit' than others, like some politicians, some cops, some doctors, etc).

    Speaking of sensationalistic, want to see the real drug pusher responsible for more deaths in WA than marijuana?

    It's the state shoving poor people on to Methadone to save money. Read the whole series, it's poignant. The State was literally killing people to save a buck, or at least not caring that the medication killed an unusually high number of patients -- because it was the cheapest and easiest thing to dispense.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._silent11.html
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    No, it's my belief the stories were presented in support of, and in one particular show individuals did a poor job of hiding the true motive. These couple of shows I happened to have seen is only a piece of which my decision making comes from. I do hear yah! We have to be watchful of what the different forms of media present us with.

    ADD: The story you link is terrible, but the fact remains a pusher is a pusher, street corner dime bags, neighborhood dispensaries, or G-health providers. Just like an illegal is an illegal whether the POTUS, or a tax payer funded student in Texas, they are still both Illegal’s.
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    Just like an illegal is an illegal whether the POTUS, or a tax payer funded student in Texas, they are still both Illegal’s.
    Of course illegal drugs are illegal! Do you really think the government wants competition, when they are the ones running "illegal" drugs in and out of the country to fund their black operations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Brent View Post
    Of course illegal drugs are illegal! Do you really think the government wants competition, when they are the ones running "illegal" drugs in and out of the country to fund their black operations?
    *groan* I reeeeeaaaly hope that was meant as sarcasm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    *groan* I reeeeeaaaly hope that was meant as sarcasm.


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    Or have you heard of Rick Ross
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    And maybe the 61% YoY increase (just in 2010 to 2011 alone) in Afghanistan opium production is just a Christmas miracle and there really is no tacit approval (if not support) from some part of the United States government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...%29#Drug_trade Yeah, "we had no idea" that'd happen when we went in.

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    I mean, we're an occupying army in control of all the major roads in their country, and their airspace, and we can't stop opium growing and smuggling? And all the US governments earlier (proven) involvement in the international drug trade sure implies someone has dirty hands in Afghanistan.

    At best it's a simple case of this:

    The Taliban crushed the drug trade in Afghanistan.
    The US can't do that, or they lose support of most of that county (especially the rich and powerful within the country).
    Therefore due to politically expedient reasons, the US has enabled Afghanistan to once again become the worlds #1 producer of Heroin and Opium. Winning the hearts of the locals by honoring their cultural traditions
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