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    ABC store open carry?

    Since this is a public facility (is it not?), does NC law say anything about open carry in ABC stores?

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    Weapons Prohibited - According to 14-269.2, Any establishment where alcoholic beverages are both sold and consumed.

    Reading this would mean that unless it has a sign indicating you can't it should be legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 94 at Large View Post
    Weapons Prohibited - According to 14-269.2, Any establishment where alcoholic beverages are both sold and consumed.

    Reading this would mean that unless it has a sign indicating you can't it should be legal.
    See that is how I figured it too. I didn't know if ABC stores were covered in some other statue with regard to open out concealed carry.

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    ABC stores in NC are NOT owned by the State--they are private businesses. Unless they are posted, it is 100% legal to carry--OC or CC--in a NC ABC store.
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    Just went to one tonight, this one is posted and they had a LEO in there playing security guard. I guess its ok to have police OC because they are waaaaaay better trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    ABC stores in NC are NOT owned by the State--they are private businesses. Unless they are posted, it is 100% legal to carry--OC or CC--in a NC ABC store.
    Not real sure exactly the relationship between the local ABC board and the contractor operating the store, but they are not private businesses. Towns and counties establish the local board which operates the stores. The monies collected go to the State Treasury.

    I used to go OC into the store near me, but they moved to a new building which is now posted against all forms of carry. This is in Fayetteville by the Raeford road WalMart.

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    The ABC stores in Pitt County aren't posted. I've OC'd in a store twice and no one said a word.

    I still don't understand why anyone thinks these state controlled liquor stores are a good idea. I saw a report recently and it showed that some stores in rural areas are in the red. In fact, these same stores have lost revenue for years. However, the report stated that some of these stores will be closing fairly soon.

    Too bad we can't get private run liquor stores like the majority of the other states have. It's nice being able to purchase liquor in WalMart at a cheaper price and with a better selection.

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    There are numerous references to NC statutes on the below link/thread. Good short read, no conclusion but worth looking at. I'm going to bow out at let you guys figure this one out - NC law has more twists and turns than a country road.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...stores-nc.html
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    I still stand by my statements in the DC link above. I OC in the local one that is not posted in Mtn View. The one's in Hickory are all posted, or at least the close ones. Basically it is public, but it's locally owned and operated. The facility is not operated by the state and is not state owned.


    "However, ABC stores are not owned or operated by the state... NO state or local tax funds are used to support local ABC systems. Each city or county unit is allowed to vote on establishing its own stores. We are the Catawba County ABC serving the citizens of Catawba County."

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    http://catawbacountyabc.com/home.html

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    I could not find a thing on the abc website for wake county being state run, the one from me up on capital blvd that I usually go to is not posted, may give it a try this afternoon when I go to pick up my crown royal for christmas eve.

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    I'm calling these folks today to get the skinny:

    http://www.ncabc.com/abc_boards/coun...ounty=Johnston

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    OK I talked to a lady at the Johnson county ABC board and she said that the store policies are set by the board, they do have a policy prohibiting firearms, and that the commission is a county government agency. I told her I would take this issue to the ballot box, and that it would be nice if they posted this at the door.

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    They seriously need to privatize the ABC stores. I mean closed on holidays? I can't tell you how many times on Thanksgiving morning or something i would need to run to the liquor store to pick up an extra bottle for a party... NOPE. Or on a Sunday or something. It's not doing any good whatsoever, but god forbid the Guberment relenquish their powers, lol.

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    Ask anyone in New Hampshire what the right way to sell alcohol is...

    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    The ABC stores in Pitt County aren't posted. I've OC'd in a store twice and no one said a word.

    I still don't understand why anyone thinks these state controlled liquor stores are a good idea. I saw a report recently and it showed that some stores in rural areas are in the red. In fact, these same stores have lost revenue for years. However, the report stated that some of these stores will be closing fairly soon.

    Too bad we can't get private run liquor stores like the majority of the other states have. It's nice being able to purchase liquor in WalMart at a cheaper price and with a better selection.
    I moved up from CT where they had a "package store" every hundred yards or so back in the 70's. But at 8PM, everything closed from Saturday till Monday, so at 7:30 it was all aholes and elbows to get to the packy. I moved to NH where liquor stores are state run...very cheap...and turn a great tax dollar. How can you NOT make money on a monopoly? Beer and wine are available in convenience stores and supermarkets.

    When will people in government learn to find something that works and copy it? This is not a sixth grade book report...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigl0af View Post
    OK I talked to a lady at the Johnson county ABC board and she said that the store policies are set by the board, they do have a policy prohibiting firearms, and that the commission is a county government agency. I told her I would take this issue to the ballot box, and that it would be nice if they posted this at the door.

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    No it would not be nice if it was posted. If they can't remember to put one on the door, don't remind them.

    I'm not getting why folks are questioning this. The link I provided is very clear that Catawba county is NOT state run. Why would the rest be? They are simply local gov. agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    No it would not be nice if it was posted. If they can't remember to put one on the door, don't remind them.

    I'm not getting why folks are questioning this. The link I provided is very clear that Catawba county is NOT state run. Why would the rest be? They are simply local gov. agencies.
    By "state" I mean government.. State run = government run...

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    So, let me see if I got this straight. The Federal Govt. in the form of the IRS and under the authority granted it seizes a bordello in Nevada for back taxes and can't make a profit. (I think the name was the bunny ranch or something like that) The NC State Govt. sets itself up a monoploy to run stores selling Booze and can't turn a profit. But there are still idiots in this country who think there will be no problems turning our entire health care system over to the govt. to run so it will cost less??????

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    between Orange, Randolph Guilford, and Wake counties I have never seen a store that it wasnt posted.
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    The stores in Beaufort County are posted too, from what I've seen. But Pitt county is sort of variable as to whether they are posted or not...
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    A Cabarrus county store I frequent is posted but I went in OC on 12/24, anyway. The place was fairly busy but none of the four employees said anything. I don't feel like disarming for a sign, so I figure they can ask me to leave if they want to make an issue of it.
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    I really only go to two, one in Cary off of Cary Towne Blvd, and one in Raleigh off of New Bern Ave.

    Neither are posted at all, and I've been maybe 4 times since Thanksgiving and no one has mentioned it. Except the panhandlers that are always outside of the New Bern Ave location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sc0tt View Post
    Si Sis Pacem Para Bellum
    The second word is "vis". The root for visor, vista, etc.

    "If you are looking for (seeking) peace, prepare for war"
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain

    I don't bother with pragmatic statistics while discussing my constitutional rights. The issue is far less complex, to me. Free men should be able to act like free men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigl0af View Post
    By "state" I mean government.. State run = government run...

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    There is a big difference with gun laws between state and local Government. State Gov building are off limits per statute, at least for CC per the scope of permit. Local Gov buildings are decided on by the local Gov in question. When you are trying to understand gun laws in NC, the difference between state and local is a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G22shooter View Post
    A Cabarrus county store I frequent is posted but I went in OC on 12/24, anyway. The place was fairly busy but none of the four employees said anything. I don't feel like disarming for a sign, so I figure they can ask me to leave if they want to make an issue of it.
    A bit dangerous, Signs in NC have power of law if I remember correctly:

    § 14-159.13. Second degree trespass.
    (a) Offense. – A person commits the offense of second degree trespass if, without authorization, he enters or remains on premises of another:
    (1) After he has been notified not to enter or remain there by the owner, by a person in charge of the premises, by a lawful occupant, or by another authorized person; or
    (2) That are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, with notice not to enter the premises.
    (b) Classification. – Second degree trespass is a Class 3 misdemeanor. (1987, c. 700, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 102; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
    This is what they use to prosecute people who enter with gun busters signs, the legal argument being that the sign was the owner telling you not to enter with the gun and you did so anyway

    The second word is "vis". The root for visor, vista, etc.

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    wake county

    Finally got a response back from the wake county abc board.

    Craig Pleasants cpleasants@wakeabc.com
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    Hello Mr.xxxxx. It is permissible for a person to lawfully carry a concealed weapon on abc board property. No Wake County ABC stores are posted banning carrying lawfully concealed weapons.

    I would check on State and local laws concerning carrying lawfully concealed weapons if you are not familiar with them. Thanks for inquiring.

    so assuming that it does not say no openly carried handguns wake county abc stores should all be ok to carry in, assuming they are identified as county and not state property.

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