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    Seattle Hempfest

    Bring OC to the Seattle hempfest! Not all marijuana supporters are pro gun but some are! Spread the word on OC by atteding!

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    Probably not a good idea.

    Probably an incredibly stupid idea.

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    Legal, just incredibly stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Bring OC to the Seattle hempfest! Not all marijuana supporters are pro gun but some are! Spread the word on OC by atteding!

    LOL now there's an interesting combination.. OCer wanting to go to Hempfest... with a Christian avatar image. Not that the three are in any way incompatible, just amusing.

    Dave's probably right on this one, unfortunately. Legal, yes. Amusing, definitely. But who's getting amused at the end of the day, clouded that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Probably not a good idea.

    Probably an incredibly stupid idea.

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    Legal, just incredibly stupid.
    Just curious as to why its stupid?
    In many states you can legally carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
    I dont drink or smoke weed, but if I had a choice I rather be surrounded by stoners with guns than drunks with guns.
    "Let your gun be your constant companion during your walks" ~Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig229 View Post
    Just curious as to why its stupid?
    In many states you can legally carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
    I dont drink or smoke weed, but if I had a choice I rather be surrounded by stoners with guns than drunks with guns.
    For once I'll actually agree with what the other Dave always says: it'll just make us look bad.
    Hell hath frozen over.

    Marijuana is illegal on a Federal level. The DoJ, DEA and the ATF is on attack mode right now in regards to both medical marijuana and gun rights (which is really an attack on State Rights).

    Attending Hempfest with a firearm does not serve a useful purpose for OC specifically, or gun rights in general. It also serves no purpose for medical marijuana rights or the marijuana legalization effort.

    All it will do is give the media (and the SPD) an incident to cite later and use against lawful gun owners, and also patients who comply with MMJ laws.

    Just think about it for 1 second, if the city police and government freak out over guns at Folklife, do you seriously think they'd be ok with guns at Hempfest http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=17609

    And afaik the city has been regularly giving hempfest problems over permit denials http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...empfest-permit Why make it easier for them to end the event (or provide a higher level of motivation for them to end it).

    OC is your right of course, just not advisable at Hempfest imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    For once I'll actually agree with what the other Dave always says: it'll just make us look bad.
    Hell hath frozen over.

    Marijuana is illegal on a Federal level. The DoJ, DEA and the ATF is on attack mode right now in regards to both medical marijuana and gun rights (which is really an attack on State Rights).

    Attending Hempfest with a firearm does not serve a useful purpose for OC specifically, or gun rights in general. It also serves no purpose for medical marijuana rights or the marijuana legalization effort.

    All it will do is give the media (and the SPD) an incident to cite later and use against lawful gun owners, and also patients who comply with MMJ laws.

    Just think about it for 1 second, if the city police and government freak out over guns at Folklife, do you seriously think they'd be ok with guns at Hempfest http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=17609

    And afaik the city has been regularly giving hempfest problems over permit denials http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...empfest-permit Why make it easier for them to end the event (or provide a higher level of motivation for them to end it).

    OC is your right of course, just not advisable at Hempfest imho.


    Ok, you make good points.
    I could easily imagine a headline "illegal drugs and guns in public tonight at five". And as you aare aware, just becuase teh news says the gun is illegal, doesnt make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig229 View Post
    Just curious as to why its stupid?
    In many states you can legally carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
    I dont drink or smoke weed, but if I had a choice I rather be surrounded by stoners with guns than drunks with guns.
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    For once I'll actually agree with what the other Dave always says: it'll just make us look bad.
    Hell hath frozen over.

    Marijuana is illegal on a Federal level. The DoJ, DEA and the ATF is on attack mode right now in regards to both medical marijuana and gun rights (which is really an attack on State Rights).

    Attending Hempfest with a firearm does not serve a useful purpose for OC specifically, or gun rights in general. It also serves no purpose for medical marijuana rights or the marijuana legalization effort.

    All it will do is give the media (and the SPD) an incident to cite later and use against lawful gun owners, and also patients who comply with MMJ laws.

    Just think about it for 1 second, if the city police and government freak out over guns at Folklife, do you seriously think they'd be ok with guns at Hempfest http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=17609

    And afaik the city has been regularly giving hempfest problems over permit denials http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...empfest-permit Why make it easier for them to end the event (or provide a higher level of motivation for them to end it).

    OC is your right of course, just not advisable at Hempfest imho.
    Im glad that you have decided to elect yourself to the postition of open carry PR director but I am not a part of a centralized organization or any such group that dictates when and where is appropriate for open carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Im glad that you have decided to elect yourself to the postition of open carry PR director but I am not a part of a centralized organization or any such group that dictates when and where is appropriate for open carry.
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    Sure. "IMHO you're a moron."

    God I knew I was sounding like BigDave when I voiced my opinion on this subject. USMCbess, back to primary school for some reading comprehension. I never told anyone what to do, I merely voiced an 'opinion.' Missouri, right? Here's another opinion: stay there. Have a Merry Christmas too

    And if you feel up to it, try to articulate how open carrying at hempfest helps anyone. You might not like my opinions, but at least I man up and explain my reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Im glad that you have decided to elect yourself to the postition of open carry PR director but I am not a part of a centralized organization or any such group that dictates when and where is appropriate for open carry.
    How is he dictating anything? He's said a couple of times that it would be both legal, and one's right to do so, but that exercising that right might not be wise.


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    There are two kinds of trouble

    That which finds you no matter how you behave and the kind that you go looking for. Unless it's your job to go looking for trouble (LE, Military, etc) why not just be satisfied with that which you can't avoid.

    All I see by going to Hempfest with a prominently carried is trouble. The kind you went looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    For once I'll actually agree with what the other Dave always says: it'll just make us look bad.
    Hell hath frozen over.
    As Red Fox would say on Sanford and Son "Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you honey."
    I knew this would happen I just did not think it would have been in my life time

    I believe this forum is promoting Open Carry to make it more common in the public and when we add an additional element that is so controversial as marijuana be it for medical or legalization of it brings a negative view on it. Many non supporters believe the vast majority that have or want cards to use their medicine feel is full of it and just want to get high while others really do see an advantage of it and then we have robberies related to marijuana to people being killed over having, obtaining or using it just look at the recent shooting in Medical Lake a stupid 14 year old shot in the back for trying to break into someones home for marijuana and possibly a homeowner going to jail for the shooting, is marijuana really worth dying for? be it from the perp or the homeowner taking a life for a little bit of smoke?
    There is nothing positive to be gained out of open carrying at hemp fest or related gatherings concerning marijuana.
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    I hope everyone that is smoking reefer at hempfest took the bus. Hate to see thousands of people driving under the influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    God I knew I was sounding like BigDave when I voiced my opinion on this subject. USMCbess, back to primary school for some reading comprehension. I never told anyone what to do, I merely voiced an 'opinion.' Missouri, right? Here's another opinion: stay there. Have a Merry Christmas too

    And if you feel up to it, try to articulate how open carrying at hempfest helps anyone. You might not like my opinions, but at least I man up and explain my reasoning.
    Sorry for misinterpreting your intentions. I had you pegged as one of those high and mightys that I have come accross in the OC forums that have decided they are the standard for OC. Once again I apologise for assuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Sorry for misinterpreting your intentions. I had you pegged as one of those high and mightys that I have come accross in the OC forums that have decided they are the standard for OC. Once again I apologise for assuming.
    No worries man, its just the internet. Thanks for the apology, for understanding, and also I'm sorry if my responses were a bit biting

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    I follow Hempfest on facebook but never get to go because I'm always working those days. Some of my fellow nurses went this year though.

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    Please Don't

    Please Don’t open carry at Hempfest. It is not that Seattle Hempfest takes a position on this issue of OC in general. It is that it causes problems. The city makes me personally respond and give a policy statement because it wants to keep its liability to a minimum. I have to make the only policy statement that my legal team gives to me.
    “While this is a public park, it is currently permitted to the production company producing the event. It is a normal and reasonable restriction to have a no weapons policy in place. We allow no weapons during the event. You are welcome at this event but you must leave your weapon elsewhere.”

    Due to city pressure, permit and insurance, we simply can’t afford to allow it. I have had this happen and I had to deny entry to the OC. He seemed like a really nice guy. I hated being in the situation. He said “I think the event would be much safer if everyone was armed.” This may be the case but understand, this is not our primary issue and we have never had a major injury at Hempfest in 20 years even with attendance in the hundreds of thousands.

    I would suggest that if you wanted to push the issue, do as we have; permit an “open carry fest”. To this event, you may set your own rules as permittees of the park. The city would have to make a policy statement which would be much more helpful to you than me telling you that OC is not allowed at Hempfest. Chances are, as a free speech event, you would be granted a permit after, of course, the city makes themselves a royal pain in your ass. But remember, back in the day they weren’t too excited about a cannabis protestival.

    We are not enemies and I would hate to have to deny you entry to our event. Whether or not I agree with a point of view, I love those that passionately hold their views. It creates the dialog that is necessary to a free society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle Hempfest View Post
    Due to city pressure, permit and insurance, we simply can’t afford to allow it. I have had this happen and I had to deny entry to the OC. He seemed like a really nice guy. I hated being in the situation. He said “I think the event would be much safer if everyone was armed.” This may be the case but understand, this is not our primary issue and we have never had a major injury at Hempfest in 20 years even with attendance in the hundreds of thousands.
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    Just CC at Hempfest. The only reason I would go for would be to observe all the "free expression;" lots of cute ladies, none I would ever date though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Bring OC to the Seattle hempfest! Not all marijuana supporters are pro gun but some are! Spread the word on OC by atteding!
    IIRC, HEMPFEST IS posted. Not sure, I USUAlly use the back door.

    Bad idea, anyway. Crowd is such a crush at times that you'd have to hold onto it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig229 View Post
    Just curious as to why its stupid?
    In many states you can legally carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
    I dont drink or smoke weed, but if I had a choice I rather be surrounded by stoners with guns than drunks with guns.
    I would rather not be surrounded by any mind altered idiots. I would rather stay away from a bunch of stoners, most of which cant formulate a complete thought, and if they can give them a little more time to waste their 10%, and I also stay out of the upholstered sewers that serve the depressant called alcohol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    God I knew I was sounding like BigDave when I voiced my opinion on this subject. USMCbess, back to primary school for some reading comprehension. I never told anyone what to do, I merely voiced an 'opinion.' Missouri, right? Here's another opinion: stay there. Have a Merry Christmas too

    And if you feel up to it, try to articulate how open carrying at hempfest helps anyone. You might not like my opinions, but at least I man up and explain my reasoning.
    Coming from the midwest, I can relate to his skewed thinking, after moving here people thought I was pretty retarded too. I have tried hard to acclimate myself to normalicy, but every now and then the midwest in me comes out and I puke something ignorant on the forum here. I agree with Dave, stay in Misery and maybe go noodling, it would be more benificial to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by usmcbess View Post
    Sorry for misinterpreting your intentions. I had you pegged as one of those high and mightys that I have come accross in the OC forums that have decided they are the standard for OC. Once again I apologise for assuming.
    Just let your membership dues lapse and stop signing on, it's an easy fix to not be a part of something so great. In fact it is easier to stop being a part of this, then it is to tear down what so many have worked so hard on ensuring we keep a right that everyone can enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I would rather not be surrounded by any mind altered idiots. I would rather stay away from a bunch of stoners, most of which cant formulate a complete thought, and if they can give them a little more time to waste their 10%, and I also stay out of the upholstered sewers that serve the depressant called alcohol.
    What about all those who are on legal mind altering prescription drugs, including those ones that say, "do not operate machinery or vehicle;" how many actually heed those "warnings?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I would rather not be surrounded by any mind altered idiots. I would rather stay away from a bunch of stoners, most of which cant formulate a complete thought, and if they can give them a little more time to waste their 10%, and I also stay out of the upholstered sewers that serve the depressant called alcohol.
    Come on Mike, that's a little judgemental there. If someone wants to safely use a mind altering substance, who are we to tell them thats wrong. I don't mind relaxing with a beer occasionally, some of them are even good (granted most are not in my oppinion). But it should be individual choice on what each one of use chooses to consume or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd1981 View Post
    Come on Mike, that's a little judgemental there. If someone wants to safely use a mind altering substance, who are we to tell them thats wrong. I don't mind relaxing with a beer occasionally, some of them are even good (granted most are not in my oppinion). But it should be individual choice on what each one of use chooses to consume or not.
    I couldn't agree with you more. As long as those who want to "safely use" these substances stayed home and just flopped out on the couch. For some reason, all too many of these who think they are "safely using" get into their car and go looking for friends or fun. Some also decide this is a good time to see how many times they can load and unload a firearm, dry firing it along the way while showing off to their other friends who are likewise "safely using".

    Unfortunately this "safe use" all too often ends up with a fatal car accident with usually the unsuspecting other drivers and passengers being the victims. This "safe use" also ends up with a shot fired from one of those "empty" weapons that at the very best just shoots a hole in the neighbor's apartment wall and at the worst in a young child's head.

    Just remember, "mind altering" usually involves the part of the "mind" that controls one's common sense.

    Maybe it's time for places like the old Opium Den's of the Orient. A place where you check in, use the crap out of any mind altering substance you want, but you don't get let out until you're capable of using all your "mind" again. There are enough "half wits" out there that don't use drugs, we don't need more.
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    For some reason I recall being searched about 10 years ago going to hemp fest. It may of just been a overlook to see what was on my persons hmmm not sure those days are a little cloudy. =)

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