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So is this implying that there will be legal concealed carry without a permit? I noticed someone said OC and CC inside and outside of a vehicle? I feel like it was pretty vague when talking about amending 527.020.
(22) Nothing in this section shall be construed to impose a general prohibition on the unlicensed carrying, whether openly or concealed, of a deadly weapon, including a loaded or unloaded firearm.
Section 4. KRS 237.115 is amended to read as follows:
(1) [Except as provided in KRS 527.020, ][B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Nothing contained in KRS 237.110 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the authority[right] of a college, university, or any postsecondary education facility, including technical schools and community colleges, to control the possession of deadly weapons in any building, other than a parking structure or stadium,[on any property] owned or controlled by them or the right of a unit of state, city, county, urban-county, or charter county government to prohibit the carrying of concealed deadly weapons by licensees in that portion of a building actually owned, leased, or occupied by that unit of government.
I'm a little confused about the part where it says "to control the possession of deadly weapons in any building, other than a parking structure or stadium,[on any property]"
Shouldn't a parking structure fall under the same rule as parking lots?
And it says in any buildings. Is this saying that U.K. must allow weapons in their buildings that doesn't have the signage?
Just got a reply from my State Rep. Tom Buford....
I have always felt this is appropriate and I feel the current law gives this right. We have a case law in Fayette County regarding a teacher that had one in her car and the court ruled this was within the law.
Therefore; I have no problem to codify the current law with your opinion as to the new bill. I will vote yes..
The signage is not that important. They could control weapons in buildings, but not outside as they do now.
If this bill becomes law they will have lost the authority to control weapons in open spaces and in parking lots and stadiums.
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Emails sent to every person on this list, Thanks for the names gutshot.
I received a reply from Rep. Arnold Simpson, he basically said he would keep my comments in mind while reviewing the bill. Not the greatest of answers but hopefully my email has made a positive impression.
Last edited by Cgm2414; 01-20-2012 at 11:27 PM. Reason: Update
This is my reply from Rep. Ron Crimm
"I usually always vote for gun owners on all bills. *I will take a hard look at this, and mostly likely will support."
Hopefully the representatives are taking a step in the right direction.
The only reply I have received was from rep. Tanya pullin. She, of course, said she will vote in favor of both.
We all need to remember that many of our representatives will tell us what they think we want to hear. They say, "Sure I'll support that", thinking or knowing "I'll never have to vote on that crap bill, because it will never get out of committee. I'll tell this guy I'll support it and take credit for being gun friendly and never have to piss off the anti's by actually voting for a pro gun bill." I don't know anything about any of these people except that they are politicians and, in my book, that's two strikes against them, automatically, but you guys know your representatives better than I do.
Our first job is to get these two bills out of committee. HB 280 has several co-sponsors, one of them is my rep. I'm proud to say, and it's probably in good shape. HB 290 has only two sponsors and therefore needs help. We need to urge our representatives to sign on as sponsors and to tell them to urge the committee members to vote it out of committee with a favorable recommendation. And we need to tell them over and over. I called my Representative today and thanked him for sponsoring HB 280 and asked him to sponsor HB 290. I also asked him to drum up whatever support he could with committee members on both committees. The sponsors of this bill are both Republicans. The House is controlled by the Dems. There will be a natural resistance for the Dems to vote a Republican bill out of committee. It would be really helpful if we could get a Dem., or two, to sign on as a sponsor. You guys with Dem. Representatives need to get to work and get them to sponsor one or both of these bills.
Last edited by gutshot; 01-23-2012 at 08:05 PM.
Anyone who wants to help pass our pro-gun bills this year can call 1-800-372-7181 and leave a message for your legislator. Just tell the operator "tell Representative Blowhard I'd like him to support HB 290.". You can even leave a message for several legislators. If you want to help HB 290 call the number and tell the operator you want to leave a message for all the members of the House Committee on Local Government. The message is to "move HB 290 out of committee with a favorable report."
Do this for all three of the firearms related bills.
HB 280 (constitutional carry) is in the the House Judiciary Committee
HB 290( Preemption Bill) is in House Committee on Local Government
HB 222 (Firearms Freedom Act) House Committee on Elections, Constitutional Amendments and Intergovernmental Affairs.
One phone call can get them all. If we can get these bills out of committee with favorable reports, then we can start working on individual legislators for a floor vote. If we can't do that the bills are dead.
I just received a phone call from Representative Stan Lee's intern, He is a sponsor of HB280 so things seem to be looking up if we can get these out of committee I believe there is a good chance.
We are indeed winning. If you had said fifteen years ago that we'd have these bills being seriously considered, you would have been laughed at.
As great as constitutional carry is, I see one small consequence. If this passes and, let's say my permit expires (which will be a while; I just renewed the dang thing) and I'm no longer needing one to carry concealed in Kentucky, this is going to affect my ability to carry in other states. I guess the option would be to find out which state has the cheapest non-resident permit with the most reciprocity and get that one.
Why let your permit expire? Keeping your license is cheap, and no license has the reciprocity as a Ky license. It's up to 37 or 38 states that honor our license, and no other state has that kind of reciprocity. It would be outrageous to let it expire, the only reason I have one is to carry in other states. You can carry everywhere east of us and down, everywhere west of us except IL, CA, OR, and WA. Thats certainly a good thing.