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    Acme Bowl in Tukwila

    Anyone have any interactions at Acme Bowl? I did not see rules or regs for that place, and contacted the manager who said he was the GM and due to WSLCB they are "off limits" Let me know thanks.

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    Never ask. Dont call ahead unless you are looking for trouble. Go there and if you see no signs then bowl and do what you do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    due to WSLCB they are "off limits" Let me know thanks.
    Unless its a 21 and older bowling alley then the GM's statement is not correct and probably a misunderstanding on his part. I'll echo never to call ahead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    Anyone have any interactions at Acme Bowl? I did not see rules or regs for that place, and contacted the manager who said he was the GM and due to WSLCB they are "off limits" Let me know thanks.
    The GM is mistaken and incorrect. The 'bar' portion of ACME Bowl has WSLCB signs restricting firearms in the 'bar' portion only. (9.41.300)

    (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age;
    The remainder of the establishment CC/OC is not illegal.

    Why would you ever ask? Did you call and ask if wearing pink socks was legal? Go about your daily business in a legal and confident fashion. If you have not read 9.41.300 yet then DO SO NOW! 300 spells out where it is illegal to carry a firearm per the RCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    Unless its a 21 and older bowling alley then the GM's statement is not correct and probably a misunderstanding on his part. I'll echo never to call ahead...
    I have no idea where one would come to the conclusion of "Unless its a 21 and older bowling alley" has nothing to do with the restriction of firearms.
    WSLCB is the only ones that can designate an area as being off limits to those under 21 years of age.
    Being a private business they can restrict possession.

    9.41.300 Weapons prohibited in certain places
    (1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:
    (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age;

    We keep seeing this type of endeavor by some who want to make private entities accept possession of firearms when the best we can do is ask and or try to educate and sway their position.
    It is not a bad thing to call ahead and then choose to go or not or modify carry and hope there is no signage prohibiting firearms as it could serve as requirement to allow entry and it becoming a trespass issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    If you have not read 9.41.200 yet then DO SO NOW! 300 spells out where it is illegal to carry a firearm per the RCW.
    Got a link for that 9.41.200
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    My daughter is on a HS bowling team, so I OC at Aztec and Tumwater lanes all the time. If I come in after my daughter starts, when the manager sees me she says oh she's on lane #. So there is no problem with these two. But as stated a private business can make their own rules. You just have to stay out of a 21 and older area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I have no idea where one would come to the conclusion of "Unless its a 21 and older bowling alley" has nothing to do with the restriction of firearms.
    WSLCB is the only ones that can designate an area as being off limits to those under 21 years of age.
    Being a private business they can restrict possession.

    9.41.300 Weapons prohibited in certain places
    (1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:
    (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age;

    We keep seeing this type of endeavor by some who want to make private entities accept possession of firearms when the best we can do is ask and or try to educate and sway their position.
    It is not a bad thing to call ahead and then choose to go or not or modify carry and hope there is no signage prohibiting firearms as it could serve as requirement to allow entry and it becoming a trespass issue.
    I apologize for not being more specific and call out the 21 and older sections designated by the WSLCB as restricted to minors and further for not providing RCW 9.41.300 for the OP to investigate further on there own. I was on my phone and fell victim of giving a quick non-complete response in between activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    Anyone have any interactions at Acme Bowl? I did not see rules or regs for that place, and contacted the manager who said he was the GM and due to WSLCB they are "off limits" Let me know thanks.
    In case you haven't noticed by now, calling ahead to exercise your rights is considered a cardinal sin by many around here
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
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    It is not a bad thing to call ahead and then choose to go or not or modify carry and hope there is no signage prohibiting firearms as it could serve as requirement to allow entry and it becoming a trespass issue.
    Or if don't want to call, be sure to have a plan B if your turned away for OC and you wont (or cant) conceal or lock your firearm in a car.

    Sometimes, we just have to say "thank you, but I will take by business elsewhere" and actually mean it.

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    I know dumb to ask but somehow we got onto the topic, after mentioning my sons birthday. He wants to have a bowling party. The GM making the reservations asked me what we had planned on doing that day, and I told him going to the range.... From that, his response was do not bring any weapons in we are no firearms per WSLCB. I asked where I could find that info, and he stated its posted everywhere. Thats why I asked No Firearms?? WSLCB does not enforce unless its a bar. I was more curious if anyone had any dealings with them. I guess I will find out when we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    I know dumb to ask but somehow we got onto the topic, after mentioning my sons birthday. He wants to have a bowling party. The GM making the reservations asked me what we had planned on doing that day, and I told him going to the range.... From that, his response was do not bring any weapons in we are no firearms per WSLCB. I asked where I could find that info, and he stated its posted everywhere. Thats why I asked No Firearms?? WSLCB does not enforce unless its a bar. I was more curious if anyone had any dealings with them. I guess I will find out when we go.
    This is my take as some have stated earlier, the GM is incorrect applying no weapons to areas other then prohibited by law and the WSLCB only designates the bar area as being off limits.
    If there is no signage at the bowling alley prohibiting firearms then it would not be a requirement of entry but the bowling alley still can tell one to leave for what ever reason they choose so for your son, I would conceal carry and enjoy the night with the kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briehl12 View Post
    I know dumb to ask but somehow we got onto the topic, after mentioning my sons birthday. He wants to have a bowling party. The GM making the reservations asked me what we had planned on doing that day, and I told him going to the range.... From that, his response was do not bring any weapons in we are no firearms per WSLCB. I asked where I could find that info, and he stated its posted everywhere. Thats why I asked No Firearms?? WSLCB does not enforce unless its a bar. I was more curious if anyone had any dealings with them. I guess I will find out when we go.
    Allow me to translate, what the general manager ACTUALLY is trying to say is...

    We don't want our patrons carrying weapons due to the perceived liability it may bring, and it may scare other customers, but I cant tell you that outright for fear of loosing a customer so I will use the guise of a law that doesn't actually apply to your situation to dissuade you in the hopes that you don't have enough knowledge about it to question it.
    What hes failing to mention is if his entire establishment falls under RCW 9.41.300 (1) (d), your under 21 son wouldn't be able to have his birthday party there either. In summary, he is wrong and hes lying to you or he doesn't know any better. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

    My guess is, hes lying to prevent confrontation.
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    Just don't carry beyond the 21 and over only sign at the bar>>>>sounds simple to me. The liquor control board can say nothing about the bowling ally.. You might want to point that out to the GM.

    As someone else stated, if the whole place was 21 and over only, you couldn't take you kids there either

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    I've OC'd there and been asked to leave by the manager about 2 years ago.

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    They probably ban firearms so that a pissed off bowler doesn't start shooting at that last pin that won't fall.

    Bowling pins make great targets although I haven't heard of any being shot in an actual bowling alley, yet

    Even if the WSLCB signs don't hold any weight, private property rights do. I the manager doesn't want guns on the premises he can send you out the door.
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