ManInBlack
Regular Member
This.
The police conducted their investigation in a prompt and efficient manner, decided the appropriate charge, and released the property because it had no further evidentiary value. Seems well-handled to me.
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Gun fires from girl's purse in Wyoming Starbucks
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This.
The police conducted their investigation in a prompt and efficient manner, decided the appropriate charge, and released the property because it had no further evidentiary value. Seems well-handled to me.
ncwabbit
Regular Member
oh ya forgot that concept...
nice thought m-i-blk...
wabbit
nice thought m-i-blk...
wabbit
Not so much being critical of the end result as much as being surprised at the immediacy of it. Wouldn't say that I was "excited" by the events either - more that the circumstances were interesting and different.
Not everyone on this coast would consider themselves "easterners", particularly those of us in Virginia - some of whom were born and raised in more western environments. To imply a lack of understanding or appreciation for their cultural ideologies is hardly appropriate.
Not everyone on this coast would consider themselves "easterners", particularly those of us in Virginia - some of whom were born and raised in more western environments. To imply a lack of understanding or appreciation for their cultural ideologies is hardly appropriate.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
The pistol was the property of the parents, not the minor. The facts are clear, an appropriate charge (misdemeanor, probably class three against a juvenile) was filed and property was returned to the legal owner. In VA, she would have been charged with a more serious offense as it is not a constitutional carry state. The same would hold true in NH--neither of which state is exactly unfriendly to the 2nd Amendment, but neither of which is the true West where attitudes about gun rights are far more in line with liberty. It appears to me that this was an exercise of appropriate response by the police and the girl will undoubtedly be doing community service. And, hopefully, has learned a valuable lesson.
rodbender
Regular Member
All of my derirngers have about a 20-25 lb trigger pull, exactly as it should be because they have no trigger guard. I mean it is really hefty. How did it go off without her pulling the trigger, unless somebody was stupid and did a trigger job on it. Also, every derringer I have ever seen is single action only, which means (I'm sure you probably already know this) that the hammer has to be cocked before it will fire. "Stupid is as stupid does." Dad needs to keep her away from firearms until she grows a few more gray cells. Maybe dad needs to stay away as well.
OC-moto450r
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2A
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ncwabbit
Regular Member
perhaps judical will
force completion of a firearm course as part of the sentence...
wabbit
force completion of a firearm course as part of the sentence...
wabbit
Marco
Regular Member
You do know NC, VA, CO, MI, ID, NV and MO aren't considered the East, hence the folks living in those states aren't Easterners.
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thebigsd
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MatieA
Regular Member
Wyoming DOES NOT have "Constitutional Carry" You must still meet ALL requirements to get a conceal-carry permit to carry without said permit.
This person from Wyoming had not commented because I have not been near a computer for a week.
As for the OP; I believe that if the pistol had been in some kind of holster this could have been prevented. I believe that any pistol being worn/carried should be in a holster. As for the parents allowing her to carry? I allow my 13 year-old daughter to carry when she is with me (open-carry only), although we don't go into town.
MKEgal
Regular Member
Wow. In WI she'd be in trouble. That's a misdemeanor - accessing cc license records w/o cause (& 'cause' is stated very clearly in statutes). IIRC it's up to $500 fine & up to 30 days in jail.Redbaron007 said:
Again, the laws may be different there...ManInBlack said:
Here in WI if property is used in a crime (& the person is convicted) it is seized or kept by the gov't & destroyed. I've seen some judges who had quite the loose interpretation of "used in a crime", as in "it was in the car & you were DUI". Not that the pistol was used or even handled while intoxicated, just that it was in the car.
"Crime", however, is clearly defined as an act for which the statutory punishment may include time in jail or prison.
ncwabbit
Regular Member
ya and IF OR occurred wherever else other than WY...a lot of different things w/could be done against this juvie...but she was charged w/underage possession not anything to do w/CC...therefore, my premise stands...
there is a different firearm culture in WY as evidenced by MatieA's post...
also nobody has commented on the concept this juvie could be some WY wheel's daughter and everything has been smoothed over with a wink and a nod and everyone is back in time for dinner!
wabbit
PS: there are 57 states, TRULY?
PSS: you learn so much on this forum: according to the highly informative and reliable Wikipedia:
(quote) The Eastern United States, the American East, or simply the East is traditionally defined as the states east of the Mississippi River. The first two tiers of states west of the Mississippi have traditionally been considered part of the West, but can be included in the East today; usually in regional models that exclude a Central region. (unquote)
there is a different firearm culture in WY as evidenced by MatieA's post...
also nobody has commented on the concept this juvie could be some WY wheel's daughter and everything has been smoothed over with a wink and a nod and everyone is back in time for dinner!
wabbit
PS: there are 57 states, TRULY?
PSS: you learn so much on this forum: according to the highly informative and reliable Wikipedia:
(quote) The Eastern United States, the American East, or simply the East is traditionally defined as the states east of the Mississippi River. The first two tiers of states west of the Mississippi have traditionally been considered part of the West, but can be included in the East today; usually in regional models that exclude a Central region. (unquote)
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Redbaron007
Regular Member
According to her, her effort to verify this was to check the public court records on the interweb and asked the State Troopers what was my score on the training test.
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stainless1911
Banned
Shouldn't a 14 year old girl defend herself against a rapist?
Underage girls should never be equipped to defend themselves against pedophile sexual predators, never ever, and those who do, should be sent to prison and never be allowed to protect themselves again!
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William Fisher
Regular Member
That's where my thinking was going (yes sometimes I think), "Please tell me she didn't have the dang thing cocked".
William Fisher
Regular Member
ya and IF OR occurred wherever else other than WY...a lot of different things w/could be done against this juvie...but she was charged w/underage possession not anything to do w/CC...therefore, my premise stands...
there is a different firearm culture in WY as evidenced by MatieA's post...
also nobody has commented on the concept this juvie could be some WY wheel's daughter and everything has been smoothed over with a wink and a nod and everyone is back in time for dinner!
wabbit
PS: there are 57 states, TRULY?
PSS: you learn so much on this forum: according to the highly informative and reliable Wikipedia:
(quote) The Eastern United States, the American East, or simply the East is traditionally defined as the states east of the Mississippi River. The first two tiers of states west of the Mississippi have traditionally been considered part of the West, but can be included in the East today; usually in regional models that exclude a Central region. (unquote)
That was 60 states. He had been to 57, had one to go and his staff Wouldn't let him go to (I believe) Alaska and Hawaii