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    Lightbulb Should there be a database to track "bogus" OC stops by police?

    Reading through some of the recent posts in particular the DOZEN stops of OCer Commander IceMan by DPD, http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...stop-12-for-me
    I started thinking maybe a thread or a CSV (similar to excel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values file updated by a chosen person would be a good idea.

    This would not be to bash particular officers, it would simply be a useful tool to illustrate potential problems and training deficits to commanding officers. For example if all of the stops were made in the case above by officers of the same precinct, then it would be reasonable to say that intervention and training was needed by commanding officers in that precinct.

    If the name of the officer(s), badge #'s and particulars of stops were logged I think this may be useful to us in identifying officers and departments that are having difficulties in upholding the law.


    What do you guys and gals think?
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    It may make 42 USC 1983 cases easier to win.
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    I think it can be useful, my only worry is that people would add comments that could be used against them or the OC community at large

    If the poster stuck to the allowed info, like date, time, place, officer badge and reason for stop, and other FACTUAL information, I say its will act a published archive of the behavior of those LEO's who have a hard time following the law.

    Those who post will have to understand that it will need to be heavenly moderated to ensure only facts are put up there and not sarcastic remarks that serve no purpose

    but all in all i think it can be a extremely useful tool to prove abuse of power
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    I LOVE the idea.

    Could also be used to show patterns in problem officers/areas/departments/judges or counties.
    Last edited by stainless1911; 12-30-2011 at 01:20 AM.

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    The ability to attach FOIA documents would be a must.

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    I like the idea, instead of whomever it happened to posting it, maybe have one person in charge of the thread, or of the spread sheet, and have whomever was involved in the incident contact the person in charge. The person involved in the stop can than email or call the person in charge of the thread, and provide the details of the stop, as well as foward any video or audio that may have been captured as well. This way all info is entered in the same manner everytime. After time, this thread or spread sheet will act as a kind of flow chart for CLEOs, and how to better train. I like it, I love it!
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    You cant keep your facts straight either Pat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastmeyers View Post
    I like the idea, instead of whomever it happened to posting it, maybe have one person in charge of the thread, or of the spread sheet, and have whomever was involved in the incident contact the person in charge. The person involved in the stop can than email or call the person in charge of the thread, and provide the details of the stop, as well as foward any video or audio that may have been captured as well. This way all info is entered in the same manner everytime. After time, this thread or spread sheet will act as a kind of flow chart for CLEOs, and how to better train. I like it, I love it!
    i think that should be the way to go, have one person or a small group running it.

    perhaps work with the mods, have a thread made, immediately sticky and lock it so that only mods/admins and the OP can modify it, then people submit the info to those people, then its posted, then no comments and bickering and such can derail it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
    The ability to attach FOIA documents would be a must.
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    To be effective with this proposal, suspected unlawful stops (i.e., lacking RAS/PC) should be followed up with written complaints by the subject of the stop. Any database should track those written complaints.

    In almost any legal proceeding or complaint process, there is a truism: "If it ain't in writing, it didn't happen." A database which logs suspected unlawful stops probably won't be worth much if there is no paper trail left by the subjects of the stops which PD chiefs, sheriffs, judges, or juries can follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CV67 PAT View Post
    This is how all the threads should be.

    There wouldnt be anyone there to moderate.

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    Love the idea, though would love to see it for each state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verd View Post
    Love the idea, though would love to see it for each state.
    I think if John/Mike got enough request for a thread in each state they may be open to the idea as long as it was well moderated with no bashing just the officers/departments involved etc...

    I really do think, if the few bad apples know the world really is watching they may find other sport to engage in and leave OCers alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verd View Post
    Love the idea, though would love to see it for each state.
    You could talk to the admin here about doing that -- or your could ask y our state OC rights org to do it on their Forum....?
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