Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 74

Thread: Carry loaded.

  1. #1
    Regular Member EasyComp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Middlesex, VA
    Posts
    9

    Carry loaded.

    Im knew to OC and was wondering if someone could fill me in. One can OC Hot and not get ticketed for it right? I read the laws on the VSP website and it said one cannot. any advise will help.

    VR

    Easy

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Burke/Blacksburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    998
    That is not true. You can open carry a fully-loaded handgun in Virginia. Can you provide a link to where you read that you cannot?

  3. #3
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845
    Welcome to OCDO.

    Q: What is the definition of an unloaded pistol?
    A: Hammer.

    Yes you carry loaded. What silliness did you read that said you couldn't carry a loaded firearm?
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Burke/Blacksburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    998
    Is this what you read? http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-287.4

    § 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

    The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.

    (1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 813.)
    If so, many are confused by this section, but it only applies to firearms that fall under the highlighted section. This does not apply to the vast majority of handguns, and it does not apply at all if you have a valid Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP).

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Hampton
    Posts
    86
    Bah! I just replied to the other thread. Same answer applies though.
    3. Move thumb safety down taking gun off safety. Caution: The gun is now ready to fire. Be prepared for noise and recoil when pistol fires.

  6. #6
    Regular Member EasyComp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Middlesex, VA
    Posts
    9
    Just wanted an Answer is all. thanks y'all. Now what is a good way to carry in the vehicle? I know with no CCL i must have it unloaded but I can I put her in her case then load it after I get out of the car? or does it have to be in a different compartment than the ammo?

    VR
    Easy

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Hampton
    Posts
    86
    18.2-308
    10. Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel.

    Loaded in a glovebox (which is a compartment) is OK while driving. I just keep mine on my hip though.
    3. Move thumb safety down taking gun off safety. Caution: The gun is now ready to fire. Be prepared for noise and recoil when pistol fires.

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Central Virginia
    Posts
    82

    welcome Easy

    here is one of the many previous posts that may answer your questions, I would recommend spending some time and reviewing older pages of the forum if you are new here, it is chock full of info. No reason to unload open or concealed while staying within confines of state line.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...d-in-a-vehicle

  9. #9
    Regular Member ProShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    www.ProactiveShooters.com, Richmond, Va., , USA
    Posts
    4,671
    You really need to come take this class - http://proactiveshooters.com/general...d-carry-in-va/
    James Reynolds

    NRA Certified Firearms Instructor - Pistol, Shotgun, Home Firearms Safety, Refuse To Be A Victim
    Concealed Firearms Instructor for Virginia, Florida & Utah permits.
    NRA Certified Chief Range Safety Officer
    Sabre Red Pepper Spray Instructor
    Glock Certified Armorer
    Instructor Bio - http://proactiveshooters.com/about-us/

  10. #10
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyComp View Post
    Just wanted an Answer is all. thanks y'all. Now what is a good way to carry in the vehicle? I know with no CCL i must have it unloaded but I can I put her in her case then load it after I get out of the car? or does it have to be in a different compartment than the ammo? VR Easy
    Welcome to the site EC. I'm going to assume (That word again) you don't eat Billygoats and just misunderstood...
    You can carry loaded, openly on your person (without a CCL).
    You can carry loaded in the vehicle (without a CCL) In the vehicle you can keep it in plain sight or in a secured container like the glove box, console, any container that can be secured (Not Locked).
    Oh..in Va it's not a CCL, it's a CHP. CHP stands for Commonwealth Handgun Perks.
    Last edited by peter nap; 01-04-2012 at 07:28 AM.

  11. #11
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,611
    Best way to carry and legal is fully loaded, in a holster, on your hip, whether in or out of the vehicle.

    The only caveats are that you not be a restricted person and observe all laws - know where and under what circumstances you cannot carry. Having a CHP does extend your range and options.

    A quick pocket guide can be found here.

    Sign up for the free Va-Alerts and stay current on what is happening throughout the state and the changes to the laws.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    700
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyComp View Post
    Just wanted an Answer is all. thanks y'all. Now what is a good way to carry in the vehicle? I know with no CCL i must have it unloaded but I can I put her in her case then load it after I get out of the car? or does it have to be in a different compartment than the ammo?

    VR
    Easy
    You have to keep it in the confines of the (re)search text entry box.

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    dale, city va
    Posts
    17
    Quote Originally Posted by VApatriot View Post
    Is this what you read? http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-287.4



    If so, many are confused by this section, but it only applies to firearms that fall under the highlighted section. This does not apply to the vast majority of handguns, and it does not apply at all if you have a valid Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP).

    iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case.

  14. #14
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580
    Quote Originally Posted by mathew85 View Post
    iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case.
    Another one in my state

    Why don't you get one of these too. Then you can dress up as a kindakop when you're not pretending to be an OC'er.

    Last edited by peter nap; 03-04-2012 at 07:21 PM.

  15. #15
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,611
    Quote Originally Posted by mathew85 View Post
    iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case.
    How does having a CHP provide you with extra insurance? You can't be 200% legal.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  16. #16
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Yorktown, ,
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by mathew85 View Post
    iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case.

    I fail to see logic here :-/

  17. #17
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Oh..in Va it's not a CCL, it's a CHP. CHP stands for Commonwealth Handgun Perks.
    That is funny Peter
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  18. #18
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Another one in my state

    Why don't you get one of these too. Then you can dress up as a kindakop when you're not pretending to be an OC'er.

    This I would never do, but it is better than the TSA badge. I mean really, a badge for an airport screener?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  19. #19
    Regular Member BillB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    201
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    How does having a CHP provide you with extra insurance?
    In case some federal agent tries to charge him in VA with a violation of the Gun-Free School Zones Act.

  20. #20
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,611
    Quote Originally Posted by BillB View Post
    In case some federal agent tries to charge him in VA with a violation of the Gun-Free School Zones Act.
    That's a real stretch and it is somewhat out of context. The thread is on carrying loaded.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  21. #21
    Regular Member BillB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    201
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That's a real stretch and it is somewhat out of context. The thread is on carrying loaded.
    It may a low probably event, but so is having to fire a carried gun in self defense. My answer was a factual and correct answer to your direct question. Regarding carrying loaded, maybe he has or intends to acquire pistol with a threaded barrel that he may want to carry loaded.
    Last edited by BillB; 03-04-2012 at 11:55 PM.

  22. #22
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,611
    Originally Posted by mathew85

    iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    How does having a CHP provide you with extra insurance? You can't be 200% legal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillB View Post
    In case some federal agent tries to charge him in VA with a violation of the Gun-Free School Zones Act.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    That's a real stretch and it is somewhat out of context. The thread is on carrying loaded.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillB View Post
    It may a low probably event, but so is having to fire a carried gun in self defense. My answer was a factual and correct answer to your direct question. Regarding carrying loaded, maybe he has or intends to acquire pistol with a threaded barrel that he may want to carry loaded.
    OK - I'm tired but I'll play.

    The quote did not reference being able to carry in school zones legally nor threaded barrels, but the act of OCing a loaded gun - he was/is going to wait to OC a loaded gun until he has his CHP for the extra insurance that gives him. If he meant something else, he did not say it.

    That is the context of the thread and how I answered. Your responses may be accurate, but nevertheless are not relevant - does not relate to the gun being loaded.

    OCing a loaded gun is already legal, getting a CHP does NOT make it more legal.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  23. #23
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580
    We've had the GFZ threads before Bill and while there is pretty much zero chance of it even being illegal (Remember the Supreme Court threw much of the GFZ out before), we have members that are concerned about it and that's really their business IMO.

    There are legitimate reasons for getting a CHP.

    I have to conceal for work
    I am uncomfortable open carrying
    I just got a new underwear holster
    EVEN

    I want to conceal..

    All good reasons to get a CHP......

    But to get on an OC site and ask if it's illegal, then after being told it wasn't..


    Getting back on and saying "iam going to open carry sometimes but waiting on my CHP before i do. would like the extra insurance. just in case."

    Is NOT a legitimate reason and actually fuels P4P. It's pure and simple..Playing Dress Up.

    He will be first in line when some idiot legislator wants to make it legal to use rifles to hunt Deer in downtown Alexandria, provided they have a CHP or when one gun a month comes around again and CHP's are exempt says, That's OK, I have a CHP".

    I don't have the patience for that.

  24. #24
    Regular Member BillB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    201
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    OCing a loaded gun is already legal, getting a CHP does NOT make it more legal.
    Not always true. As has been previously cited in this thread, OCing a loaded center-fire pistol with a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer is illegal in some VA cities and counties unless you have a CHP or qualify for some other exemption to this law - § 18.2-287.4.

  25. #25
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580
    Quote Originally Posted by BillB View Post
    Not always true. As has been previously cited in this thread, OCing a loaded center-fire pistol with a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer is illegal in some VA cities and counties unless you have a CHP or qualify for some other exemption to this law - § 18.2-287.4.
    That's entirely true Bill and that is a legitimate reason to get a CHP......but that's not what he asked and that's not why he's getting a CHP.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •