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    Opinions Please...leave magizines loaded or not ?

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    What do you mean?

    The only time my magazines are unloaded is after I am done emptying them. >.>

    Why would you carry unloaded magazines?
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    I don't know about you, but my magazines are horrible drunks. They're always loaded.

    I need to get them into rehab.

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    Dear OP -

    Are you really wanting to start a "leaving the magazine loaded will cause the springs to fail" debate?

    Really?

    Why not do your own research and see what a little over 100 years of collective wisdom has to say about this, before you open the floodgates here?

    Or did you have a side you wanted to take, but were afraid someone from the other side would call you nasty names if you just came out and stated your opinion?

    In case you did not notice, I have a low tolerance threshold for stuff like this.

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    I hate to keep this alive but I have to just say, most things manufactured by man have a "usefull life". Do you drive at night without headlights on to save the bulbs? I hope not though I witness too many people who do. Thats why they make replacement parts. Fill up the magazines and carry a spare one or three.

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    I dunno about you guys, but I always put my car up on blocks after driving, so the springs don't wear out.

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    many parts of your pistol are "consumables" ... they are parts which will have a limited usefull life and if you are a shooter they will probably need replaced during the lifetime of your sidearm, they include the magazine and/or its springs, hammer spring, trigger spring, recoil spring, extractor/ejector, firing pin and perhaps even grips..... just accept that they will not last forever and use them till the fail, then replace them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Dear OP -

    Are you really wanting to start a "leaving the magazine loaded will cause the springs to fail" debate?

    Really?

    Why not do your own research and see what a little over 100 years of collective wisdom has to say about this, before you open the floodgates here?

    Or did you have a side you wanted to take, but were afraid someone from the other side would call you nasty names if you just came out and stated your opinion?

    In case you did not notice, I have a low tolerance threshold for stuff like this.

    stay safe.
    Not trying to be ornery, but I've done some of the research and found it to be inconclusive. Ask the old timers, they tell you not to fill em. Ask the new guys, they say to keep em filled.

    As I understand the above posts, yes equipment will wear out. Carry spares. But wear and tear will depend upon the quality of the manufacturing process.

    My take? If it's a newer, well made item from a reputable shop - fill er up. If it is an older model, seen a lot of use, or an unknown manufacturer, it will be suspect.

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    I buy expensive name brand products, call me old fashioned but the name still means something to me. I have had my magazines loaded for the past 4 years and inspect them once and awhile but have not noticed any defects with them. I give my gear a break about every six months where I will unload my gun, magazines and full dissemble my magazines. I let the springs air out for a few days then load everything back up. I was not told to do this but it just made sense to me. Springs develop a memory just like anything ells and I think it does them some good to be able to relax for a few days out of the year. I have been doing this for four years and I have had no problems I have been using the same gear for four years
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    Another reason to ignore the Cal. debate. Smaller calibers put less strain on springs so there is no need to worry. Only owners of .45s or .46s who carry in Condition 1 really have to worry about wrecking their springs. A side bonus is that you can get more small caliber rounds in a magazine as they obviously take up less room. You can really pack 'em in with one of those aftermarket loader things too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybearfrmhell View Post
    many parts of your pistol are "consumables" ... they are parts which will have a limited usefull life and if you are a shooter they will probably need replaced during the lifetime of your sidearm, they include the magazine and/or its springs, hammer spring, trigger spring, recoil spring, extractor/ejector, firing pin and perhaps even grips..... just accept that they will not last forever and use them till the fail, then replace them.
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    A spring operating below the elastic limit of its stress-strain curve has an essentially unlimited fatigue lifetime. Think tuning fork or watch mainspring or IC engine valve spring or nuclear reactor SCRAM spring (my expertise).

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    HHK, if you are talking high counts of fatigue cycles, then reduced life can be expected well below yield. But I imagine those things you work on get few cycles (thank goodness). I also think that very few pistol mags get the kind of round counts required to fatigue.
    I suspect that there are mag springs out there that are produced with inappropriate radii or metallurgy, and will be subject to problems well below those of a properly designed and produced spring. My suggestion is to buy quality and avoid this fate prematurely.

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    I have been doing this for four years and I have had no problems I have been using the same gear for four years
    Heck, Fire Suppresor, that's nuthin'; I've got underwear older than four years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    Barbara Streisand

    A spring operating below the elastic limit of its stress-strain curve has an essentially unlimited fatigue lifetime. Think tuning fork or watch mainspring or IC engine valve spring or nuclear reactor SCRAM spring (my expertise).
    every armorer and gunsmith (MY area of expertise) in the world has a work bench filled with springs, not for upgrades but because they stop preforming to spec, break or become less efficient. not every gun is new with modern metallurgy, not every gun is high end with quality parts...... springs DO fail, its the main reason they make REPLACEMENT springs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    I dunno about you guys, but I always put my car up on blocks after driving, so the springs don't wear out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    I buy expensive name brand products, call me old fashioned but the name still means something to me. I have had my magazines loaded for the past 4 years and inspect them once and awhile but have not noticed any defects with them. I give my gear a break about every six months where I will unload my gun, magazines and full dissemble my magazines. I let the springs air out for a few days then load everything back up. I was not told to do this but it just made sense to me. Springs develop a memory just like anything ells and I think it does them some good to be able to relax for a few days out of the year. I have been doing this for four years and I have had no problems I have been using the same gear for four years
    How many years? ;-)

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    Research seems to indicate that springs become fatigued and fail through repeated cycling and or being stressed beyond design tolerance.

    So being normally compressed, even for long periods of time, should not negatively affect the spring, unless it becomes corroded (an issue even if it is not compressed).

    Being compressed beyond normal, or stretched beyond normal will harm it, and eventually the cycle of being compressed and returning to uncompressed state will affect it. So be carefull if you are taking your magazine completely apart just for grins and giggles- you are probably doing more harm to the spring than leaving it in place would. I know I have personally destroyed springs in various equipment by carelessly taking it out of the housing it was in.

    Bottom line- store your mags loaded, store them empty- either way will not harm them. However, they are much less useful when empty. The environment you store them in is much more important- check the humidity in your gun safe, maybe get some of those big bags of silcone, and maintain them as well- every few months, throw them in the oven and bake them for a little while (not too hot or too long!)
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    I rotate my mags. I leave three loaded for each gun and every month I unload them and reload the other three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybearfrmhell View Post
    many parts of your pistol are "consumables" ... <snip>
    Bullets are consumables....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebastidge View Post
    check the humidity in your gun safe, maybe get some of those big bags of silcone, and maintain them as well- every few months, throw them in the oven and bake them for a little while (not too hot or too long!)
    Sodium silicate, silica gel, silicon dioxide - not in anyway silicone, a hydrocarbon polymer that includes silicon.

    Dry in an (convection) oven at 120°C/250°F for as long as you will but beyond two hours is wasting time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Bullets are consumables....
    bullets are not PARTS of your pistol.....
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    The only recent guy I saw advocating rotating magazines to empty them for extended storage was the guy at a gun show selling LULAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    Barbara Streisand

    A spring operating below the elastic limit of its stress-strain curve has an essentially unlimited fatigue lifetime. Think tuning fork or watch mainspring or IC engine valve spring or nuclear reactor SCRAM spring (my expertise).
    You spelled Barbra Streisand wrong.
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    As this is for Oregon, only in Portland, and then only if you do not have a permission slip from your nanny. Otherwise keep them the way you like.

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