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    Arrested for skipping school

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    If kids are caught skipping school they could now be arrested on misdemeanor charges. If their parents are complicit in the hooky-playing, they too could be hauled into court. It's all part of a new crackdown led by Ken Kippenbrock, Director of Pupil Personnel for the Covington school district.
    If they come across a suspected skipper, officers have the option to bring the child back to school, return them to their parents' home, or if the child isn't allowed back in the school, and their parents can't be reached, booking them.
    Because state funding is based on attendance, Kippenbrock says the district lost about $500,000 last year because of the poor record. He hopes that enforcing a city-wide "daytime curfew" will force both kids and parents to take skipping school more seriously.

    But can it actually work? "It's hard to know," Jack Jennings, president of the Center on Education Policy, tells Shine. "This approach has been tried at different times and at different parts of the country and it's generally been abandoned, because parents raise a stink and politicians back down."
    "The safest place for kids is at school...according to Richard Romero, Belen's truancy expert.
    There are so many things about this that go beyond the scope of outrageous and stupid and just...

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    Why are you surprised about this? It's been the way school systems have behaved since shortly after WWII when allowing kids to roam the streets suddenly became undesirable. Mandatory school attendance laws predate this but were not regularly enforced, especially if the kid was bringing a few bucks into the family's income. Parents who created delinquients were often targeted instead of the kid, on the theory that a PO'd parent had a better chance of changing the kid's behavior than the expense of reform school (which had a miserable reputation for doing anything except punishing).

    And, as you so clearly point out, the motivation is not the welfare of the kid, or their education, but the reduction in loss of funding for the system.

    Seriously, why is anyone surprised? Oh, yeah! With the recent #Occupy shennanigans, holding anybody personally responsible for their behavior seems strange and outlandish.

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    Perhaps it's because I was home schooled, but I do find this surprising; not so much that it's happening, but more people are not up in arms about it.

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    BARRY BEAR, A MILDLY RETARDED 11-YEAR-OLD INDIAN BOY LIVING ON A RESERVATION AND being
    taught at home by his mother, was declared a “child in need of assistance” (CINA) by a landmark
    Iowa Supreme Court decision on May 17, 1989. Barry Bear was removed from his home
    when the court cited “his parents’ failure to exercise a reasonable degree of care in supervising
    him” because he was not in school. His parents had been previously jailed for violating the
    state’s compulsory attendance (truancy) law. This precipitated the filing of a CINA petition,
    leading ultimately to the legal challenge which resulted in the Iowa Supreme Court decision.
    According to “The Tama Story: Educational Tyranny in Iowa,” an article by Samuel Blumenfeld,
    23 the following occurred:
    [The State of Iowa] wanted to establish a legal precedent whereby home-schooled children
    could be removed from parents found guilty of violating the compulsory attendance law.
    The juvenile law states that a child in need of assistance is a child (1) whose parents
    physically abused or neglected the child, (2) a child who “has suffered or is imminently likely
    to suffer harmful effects as a result of the failure of the parent... to exercise a reasonable
    degree of care in supervising the child,” or (3) a child who is in need of treatment for serious
    mental illness or disorder.
    Definition two is the one the State decided could be effectively used to prosecute Barry
    Bear’s parents. It is also vague enough, wide enough to include fundamentalist Christian
    home schoolers. After all, the State can always get humanistic psychiatrists, psychologists,
    guidance counselors, and other “experts” to testify that keeping a child out of public school
    can cause “harmful effects” by depriving the child of needed socialization....
    ...Barry was taken from his family and placed in foster care.
    [Ed. Note: This ominous decision was supposed to have created court case precedent in Iowa
    and around the country. A handful of heroic homeschoolers stopped these efforts; at the same
    time foiling a truancy bill in the Iowa legislature that would have allowed—even mandated—a
    homeschooled child to be removed from his parents and placed into foster care. The Barry
    Bear case provides a snapshot of the future, of the “penalties” that will be imposed on parents
    who fail to comply with various aspects of compulsory attendance and testing laws. The full
    weight of this “hammer” will be felt when school-to-work certification requirements and newly
    proposed “performance-based” national standards and assessments for “accountability” and
    “quality” are imposed on all children, including the homeschooled. It should be noted that
    no national organization assisted in the grassroots homeschoolers’ resistance, on behalf of the
    Bear family, to these aggressive state actions.]

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    It's rediculous. The bottom line for the school isn't the kids education, it's their bottom line...and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    It's rediculous. The bottom line for the school isn't the kids education, it's their bottom line...and nothing else.

    1) SOAP box
    2) BALLOT box
    3) AMMO box

    How much longer will be be able to use the Ballot Box before it's too late? It is obvious that our countr is going to hell in a hand basket, this (November) may well be our last chance at the ballot box.
    +1. The schools are going to do whatever they can do to serve themselves. Arresting kids for skipping school is not likely to encourage them.

    Might I also point put that I find it humorous that you spelled ridiculous incorrectly in a thread about kids skipping school...no offense...just funny
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    My teenage kid was skipping school a lot and I was glad to point out that truancy could arrest him. He stopped skipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    +1. The schools are going to do whatever they can do to serve themselves. Arresting kids for skipping school is not likely to encourage them.

    Might I also point put that I find it humorous that you spelled ridiculous incorrectly in a thread about kids skipping school...no offense...just funny
    Would you believe that I'm an honors student in University? YUP TRUE DEAL....anyone can make a mistake, typo, or become reliant upon spell checkers and auto correct settings. ALAS
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    Spell check has definitely created a generation of smart people reliant on computers for their spelling needs, but given the almost hieroglyphic nature of English spelling, it's not too surprising.

    As for homeschooling, I think proctored proficiency tests on par with public education standards would both allow for home schooling as well as show that these students are still having their needs met. The socialisation aspect is largely an empty argument has the rise of home schooling organisations allows for group social experiences for these children.

    If educated and dedicated parents want to homeschool their kids and the state has a problem with this, clearly it shows a weakness in their education system's design.

    Quality Education should be among the highest priorities in our society and rewarding parents who can bring their home schooled children to proficiency levels above our public education systems standard could be a way to achieve this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    My teenage kid was skipping school a lot and I was glad to point out that truancy could arrest him. He stopped skipping.
    I would prefer for myself to find other methods of correcting my child's behavior than putting them through the human meat grinder of our so called justice system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    Perhaps it's because I was home schooled, but I do find this surprising; not so much that it's happening, but more people are not up in arms about it.
    You have a problem with a system that requires students to attend prison or go to jail? I'm shocked! I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. Sometimes too much oppression at just the right time can instill a desire for liberty. Of course too much oppression at all times leads to domesticated creatures unwilling to fend for themselves.
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    I'm curious how they determine if the child is skipping school or just home schooled or even perhaps is a dropout. Will they do an illegal search, or make a presumption of guilt or just try to trick the kids into admitting or showing guilt?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    +1. The schools are going to do whatever they can do to serve themselves. Arresting kids for skipping school is not likely to encourage them.

    Might I also point put that I find it humorous that you spelled ridiculous incorrectly in a thread about kids skipping school...no offense...just funny
    Even more funny is your typo you missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    You have a problem with a system that requires students to attend prison or go to jail? I'm shocked! I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. Sometimes too much oppression at just the right time can instill a desire for liberty. Of course too much oppression at all times leads to domesticated creatures unwilling to fend for themselves.
    "Oppression" by parents is appropriate, by government it is not. It's not politically correct but I believe that the government has no place inside the family unit...NONE. If a parent uses corporal punishment, so be it. They brought them into this world, they should know them best, they should be the best judge of whether they need to be talked to, smacked, or removed from the gene pool...yes removed.

    I take this even further, if a husband beats his wife and she stays, it is none of the governments business if SHE doesn't press charges (stupid to stay but it's not government business). I say this after having seen the massive abuses of government intrusion and the insanely huge industry of "support" agencies and companies that it has artificially created. A friend called 911 because her live in boyfriend had accidentally overdosed on his medication. During the call their poor internet connection dropped the vonage call. When the police arrived, they arrested the boyfriend on a felony charge of "disconnecting a 911 call" even though the caller said "I called you to come help him. Yes I said I was afraid but I was afraid FOR him not OF him"......their reply "sorry ma'm, the law says we have to arrest if the call is disconnected". Now I'm not sure if that is truly what the law says but the nxt thing you know he's in jail for domestic abuse, tried to commit suicide (by putting his belt around his neck and pulling it up with his hand)...he was REALLY out of it...and he was NEVER taken to the hospital or mental ward.

    So then she files papers with the court to explain that she called to get him MEDICAL help and the judge says "I don't care". He continues the separation order but allows him to call her fo work related items (he got his work through her exclusively) "but you can't discuss anything personal". Absolutely rediculous!!! The purpose of such orders is to prevent harassment yet the judge is ignorant enough to allow the calls to be made. I guess he assumed that if h said you can only talk about work then the "victim" wouldn't get harassed.

    Add to that the mandatory classes that the court ordered BOTH of them to attend in order to get the order lifted...classes provided by private companies who get paid hundreds of dollars..... and the abuses continued.....until they did some research and discovered a state that would not allow extradition and fled.

    No, we already have enough government oppression to qualify for tyranny, we don't need any more.
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    Government school... yuk. Anyway, I know I'm preaching to the choir here:

    I attended government school. I made decent grades, I had some fun, I was very social, etc. Though, one thing that always bugged me is that my parents didn't take the responsibility to teach me and left it up to the government.

    I actually feel I received a decent education from the public school system. Though, I think education, like many things, should be a parents direct responsibility. Even if the parents don't do a good job of teaching their children, the government should not have a say in any of it.

    If the parents can't educate their kids well enough that their can't hack it through life, and die early because of it, oh well. Natural selection will be at work there. If some non-government entity wants to step in and help, so be it, just make sure no-ones tax dollars are used.

    What ever happened to to being a family and minding your own business when it comes to other families "problems"? What ever happened to hunting, growing your own vegetables, and working for your own money? Why am I paying for other's people food, education, cars, etc? Oh, I know, we live in a nanny state.

    I advocate ending "public school". None of our tax dollars should be going towards it. I think it should be privatized. If parents don't want to teach their own children, they should have to pay for it directly, instead of making everyone else pay for their kids education.

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    The reason for the decline of all those things you mentioned such as hunting, gardening, minding our own business, and taking care of ourselves is well known. Just as the reason for ever increasing social programs that require ever more redistribution of wealth through taxation is well known.

    America was a rural country with the majority of it's inhabitants living outside of the city, taking care of themselves. We now have the majority of the population living in cities...where they expect government to take care of them to varying degrees. Just look at a red/blue election map, where are all the conservative voting districts? The mass of the country. Where are the liberal voting districts? The cities.

    California is controlled by San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, and to a lesser extent, Sacramento.
    Oregon is controlled by Portland, Eugene, and Salem.

    The problem is only going to get worse until we either lose our Constitution and liberty, there is a major push back at the ballot box, or we have a revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    The reason for the decline of all those things you mentioned such as hunting, gardening, minding our own business, and taking care of ourselves is well known.
    Sure: Sex, drugs, rock and roll, and the Internet.

    ...the majority of the population ... expect government to take care of them to varying degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I would prefer for myself to find other methods of correcting my child's behavior than putting them through the human meat grinder of our so called justice system.
    The threat of the meat grinder is different from the actual meat grinder.

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    Follow the money. The school is not interested in the kids education, they are interested in state headcount funding.

    Look at the OP's clip "lost $500,000"...yep, money, not education, that is what the public school is all about...that and propaganda.

    We homeschooled and used a private school for our kids for the kind of instruction we were not set up to give... Two of our 5 daughters graduated from college magna-cum-lauda, and one suma-cum-lauda. The other two did not attend college, they got married right off instead.

    Our homeschool laws in WA are all because of a lawsuit by a person who took his kids with him when he traveled, and home schooled them. They arrested him, and actually put the father in jail...appeals overturned the conviction and the civil suit finished the job. The state law was changed.

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    Public schools are good for the most part. Except when you get seven snow days and your kid(s) are in school an extra week, there by impacting the first camping trip of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    My teenage kid was skipping school a lot and I was glad to point out that truancy could arrest him. He stopped skipping.
    So you are telling us that your kid does not respect you unless you threaten him with our tax-payer funded enforcement? And you are okay with this, and want us to be okay with it, too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    So you are telling us that your kid does not respect you unless you threaten him with our tax-payer funded enforcement? And you are okay with this, and want us to be okay with it, too?
    My kid's a teenager and as much as I might want to beat him sometimes I don't. What works for your kid may not work for mine and vice versa.

    And I don't have the 50k a year to send him to one of those special private schools, now if you don't like my parenting and want to take up a donation feel free.

    I pulled him out of school to keep a better eye on him and he's doing much better. He's not really home schooled but taught online. His grades have improved tremendously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    My kid's a teenager and as much as I might want to beat him sometimes I don't. What works for your kid may not work for mine and vice versa.

    And I don't have the 50k a year to send him to one of those special private schools, now if you don't like my parenting and want to take up a donation feel free.

    I pulled him out of school to keep a better eye on him and he's doing much better. He's not really home schooled but taught online. His grades have improved tremendously.

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    ...taking this thread in another direction...

    I was home-schooled, and thank God I was. I was a difficult child, to say the best, and I can't imagine how public school would exacerbate my (then) naturally rebellious behavior. I was in public school right up until the second grade, when my mom decided she couldn't live with the thought of being glad to see us leave every morning.

    I distinctly remember the afternoon we came home from school, my sisters and I, and our mom sat on the porch, with her hands laced in a contemplative knot over her knees. She told us that we wouldn't be returning to school the next day; that we were going to be taught at home from now on.

    I remember she watched "Helen Keller" with us, and video taped us re-enacting it. Then she tied dishtowels over our eyes and had us to practice being blind and deaf for an hour, to understand what it was like being Helen Keller. That may not sound like fun, but at seven years old, it was an amazing learning experience, and I loved it!

    I can't even begin to relate the sacrifice she made to educate myself and seven siblings over the next two decades, but I can tell you how grateful I am that she did. We started school at 8:00 A.M., and finished by 12:00. I had individual and attentive help and coaching through all of my subjects, and lots of time for social activities after school. We attended co-ops with other home-schoolers, I took dance lessons, made movies with my friends, learned sign language, played softball, participated in local community theatre programs, took a two year graphic design course in one year at a vo-tech school, held down two jobs and went to college at sixteen on a honors student program. My scores were significantly higher than my classmates on standardized testing.

    The entire experience (being home-schooled, attending vo-tech, and attending college) has really been eye opening on its own, and I want my children to have that attentive and individual teaching that I had. That I needed.
    I am so grateful my parents were so instrumental and influential in my life; it's been amazing so far and I want to pass that on.

    I guess what I'm explaining is that after my experiences, I can't imagine doing it any other way. I've had a little of both worlds, and while homeschooling is not for everyone, if you can, it is rewarding in a way you can't even begin to imagine.

    (Had a little vodka before writing this, so pardon any mistakes, lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    WTF you quoted yourself?!
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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