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    So this doesn't get mixed up with that "other" Park Ranger thread

    I'm throwing this in, not to start a big debate..that's on the "other" thread.

    But gun owners are stepping up to the plate


    Gun owners coming through for ranger’s family; killer ‘kind of a jerk’

    Firearms owners are digging into their pockets and wallets to support a benefit fund, announced Tuesday on SeattleGuns.net, for the family of fallen Mount Rainier National Park Ranger Margaret Anderson.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...kind-of-a-jerk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    I'm throwing this in, not to start a big debate..that's on the "other" thread.

    But gun owners are stepping up to the plate


    Gun owners coming through for ranger’s family; killer ‘kind of a jerk’

    Firearms owners are digging into their pockets and wallets to support a benefit fund, announced Tuesday on SeattleGuns.net, for the family of fallen Mount Rainier National Park Ranger Margaret Anderson.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...kind-of-a-jerk
    Anyone with a Law Enforcement job should carry enough life insurance to see to their family's needs, in case they pass away.

    The family of LEOs who die on the job get a very charitable survivors benefits. At least they do locally, and I assume Federal LEO have similar benefits.

    That's more than most employed people get in this country. I have to fund my life insurance policy 100% on my own. I carry 400k, and the policy will be in force until my last kid turns 21. That reflects my values and sense of personal responsibility to my family.

    But the police (in general) seem to think they are special. That even if they die of a heart attack, while on vacation, they deserve FULL benefits equivalent to what they would get IF they were killed in the line of duty. http://www.workerscompensationsettle...e-officers.php I understand the motivation -- and I completely reject it.

    My sincere sympathy is extended to the family, but not my money. Extending my money would 'prove' nothing, and imho there's no plate to step up to. But on the upside, at least donations are voluntary -- unlike mandatory tax funded survivor benefits if a cop dies of a heart attack while on vacation, scuba diving in Hawaii.

    And that murderer was not "kind of a jerk," that makes light of how deplorable his actions were.

    There's zero percent chance this is PTSD. I don't think the guy ever saw combat."—Pierce County Sheriff’s Det. Ed Troyer on Ron & Don Show, KIRO FM
    That statement is logically inconsistent. You can't leap to the conclusion that there's ZERO chance, if you don't even KNOW the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Workman
    So this doesn't get mixed up with that "other" Park Ranger thread
    Why did you feel the need for that title? I'm curious.

    Since that "other" thread is not even in this sub-forum. Since this thread is obviously just you pumping your article, unlike that "other" thread.

    Since you are a "Journalist" I'd love to hear about your decision making process for using that title.

    Ahhh using quotation marks to try and convey a pejorative meaning, good times. At least, I assume that is what you were doing, because I can't think of any rules of punctuation that justify your use of quotation marks.
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    I'm not defending the BG in anyway, but Ed Troyer is an idiot.

    I've been in the army for just over 11 years now. I have had enough training and been to enough classes to know that someone does't have to see combat to suffer from PTSD.

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    From the article:
    He was eventually discharged for DUI and illegally bringing a personal weapon to Joint Base Lewis-McChord
    Can someone provide more information about this law that prohibits people from bringing personal weapons to military installations?

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    You can generally take a personal weapon to a military base, if you are stationed there or have business there, BUT, you will be required to check it at the gate. Depending on the base, this can be a time consuming procedure. Signs are usually posted, at the gates. I don't have the regulation handy. I've lived and worked on military bases since 1976. Even residents, on the base, were not permitted to have firearms on the base at all the basses I was assigned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Washington View Post
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    Can someone provide more information about this law that prohibits people from bringing personal weapons to military installations?
    Start here:

    http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...1.4.17&idno=32

    Have a look at subparts G and I.
    THE SECOND AMENDMENT: Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them.
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    Government is not reason; it is not eloquent -- it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Washington View Post
    From the article:

    Can someone provide more information about this law that prohibits people from bringing personal weapons to military installations?
    There isn't a "law" its left up to base COs to set policy for military bases on this matter, and the policies very widely.

    Nearly across the board, personal firearms carry (CC/OC) is outright prohibited under any circumstance, and nearly all bases make it a requirement that all personal firearms must be declared at the security checkpoints when entering the base. Some require/allow that they be checked in/out at the base armory after deceleration for those living on the base, and yet other bases that have ranges open to the public simply require the firearm to be unloaded and locked until on the firing line of the range or in the persons abode.

    The various punishments for breaking the policy would normally be covered under the UCMJ, and typically fall under the category of "failing to obey a standing order".

    If the state the base is located also has laws against carry (such as Kalifornia) and the person is found to be carrying in an illegal manner, they could also face criminal prosecution from the state IF the bases wanted to get local law enforcement involved.

    This is just a simple summary, and should not be taken as the end all and be all of how these matters are handled. I have seen base standing order from one end of the spectrum to the other on this matter.
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    The Pentagon was looking at the firearms rules after the Ft Hood shooting. I've never seen anything official following that effort.

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