funny! Has he seen that?
TFred
Naaa, I just made it while I was waiting for a video to render:lol:
funny! Has he seen that?
TFred
OCPT, "Puff-Puff-Pass!" if you think Constitutional Carry will pass in VA. I know we'll have a few supporters for this, but it looks too good to be true. Sorry to be a pessimist, but this is way too good to believe until it happens. The Commies will come up with SOME way to shoot it down.
Lori Haas will have an apoplectic fit if it happens. She may even leave the country like all those Hollywood stars did when GW Bush was elected.
Wait a minute... None of them left. She'll always be around and as welcome as plague. She isn't too hard to look at, though... :-/
Constitutional Carry is probably my #1, though state-wide pre-emption is close.
I already replied to your post there before I saw your comment here.These two are tied for #1 with me.
I posted this over at VAGT.
See my comments in red.A few questions:
The exceptions (18.2-308.B.3,4) for owners to carry waepons to/from places of purchase or repair and for weapons collectors to travel to and from relevant activities with their weapons unloaded and securely wrapped are retained. About the only thing left to unload is a slingshot.:uhoh:
Nothing changed in that section, so it would be the same as it is now.
The provision for carrying a concealed loaded handgun secured in a container (18.2-308.B.10) is deleted.
No need for this provision since the part that made it illegal to conceal a handgun is removed. No need to "except" something that no longer exists.
The requirement (18.2-308.1.C) to either have your handgun stored unloaded in a closed container or to have a Virginia-Issued CHP to enter school grounds is retained (and clarified).
The only difference in this section is one small grammar-type fix, and the addition of "Virginia-issued", to clarify the permit needed for the exception. I find this troublesome, as it hurts those who hold out-of-state permits for privacy reasons.
You must have a CHP to drive onto school property to pick up your kid, and if you have to enter the school, you'll need to leave school property, disarm, unload and store your firearm, then return to school property to conduct your business.:uhoh:
This sounds like we're back to pre July 2011 rules.
The provision for carrying a concealed loaded handgun secured in a container (18.2-308.B.10) is deleted.
No need for this provision since the part that made it illegal to conceal a handgun is removed. No need to "except" something that no longer exists.
The requirement (18.2-308.1.C) to either have your handgun stored unloaded in a closed container or to have a Virginia-Issued CHP to enter school grounds is retained (and clarified).
You must have a CHP to drive onto school property to pick up your kid, and if you have to enter the school, you'll need to leave school property, disarm, unload and store your firearm, then return to school property to conduct your business.:uhoh:
This sounds like we're back to pre July 2011 rules.
Except that 18.2-308.1 applies all of the exceptions in 18.2-308, including the secured container exemption. That means that currently, under Virginia law you don't need a permit to store a loaded handgun in a secured container in your car on school property. By removing that provision on the basis that a permit is no longer required, and then maintaining the "drop off your kid" exception for permit holders, it forces the situation that 2a4all describes.The only difference in this section is one small grammar-type fix, and the addition of "Virginia-issued", to clarify the permit needed for the exception. I find this troublesome, as it hurts those who hold out-of-state permits for privacy reasons.
Ah, yes, good point. I suspect that most people are not aware of that nuance. I think that was an accident to start with, and I'm not sure it was ever tested in a court case. Anybody know?Except that 18.2-308.1 applies all of the exceptions in 18.2-308, including the secured container exemption. That means that currently, under Virginia law you don't need a permit to store a loaded handgun in a secured container in your car on school property. By removing that provision on the basis that a permit is no longer required, and then maintaining the "drop off your kid" exception for permit holders, it forces the situation that 2a4all describes.
I would prefer to keep the secured container exception, even if we only move it to 18.2-308.1 to accompany the "drop off your kid" exception, because that would be the only circumstance where it would be needed. (After all, technically federal law requires a permit within 1000 feet of school property.)
Except that 18.2-308.1 applies all of the exceptions in 18.2-308, including the secured container exemption. That means that currently, under Virginia law you don't need a permit to store a loaded handgun in a secured container in your car on school property. By removing that provision on the basis that a permit is no longer required, and then maintaining the "drop off your kid" exception for permit holders, it forces the situation that 2a4all describes.
I would prefer to keep the secured container exception, even if we only move it to 18.2-308.1 to accompany the "drop off your kid" exception, because that would be the only circumstance where it would be needed. (After all, technically federal law requires a permit within 1000 feet of school property.)
John Pierce drafted that bill for VCDL and we asked Delegate Cole to introduce it for us. However, some of the wording is different (we did not have a requirement that only a VA-CHP holder would be permitted to have a handgun in his car on K-12 school gorunds) - could be Legislative Services made some changes. We will look into it. As Peter Nap points out, there will probably be some changes.
John Pierce drafted that bill for VCDL and we asked Delegate Cole to introduce it for us. However, some of the wording is different (we did not have a requirement that only a VA-CHP holder would be permitted to have a handgun in his car on K-12 school gorunds) - could be Legislative Services made some changes. We will look into it. As Peter Nap points out, there will probably be some changes.
John Pierce drafted that bill for VCDL and we asked Delegate Cole to introduce it for us. However, some of the wording is different (we did not have a requirement that only a VA-CHP holder would be permitted to have a handgun in his car on K-12 school gorunds) - could be Legislative Services made some changes. We will look into it. As Peter Nap points out, there will probably be some changes.
Did the VCDL draft include the secured container portion?
John Pierce drafted that bill for VCDL and we asked Delegate Cole to introduce it for us. However, some of the wording is different (we did not have a requirement that only a VA-CHP holder would be permitted to have a handgun in his car on K-12 school gorunds) - could be Legislative Services made some changes. We will look into it. As Peter Nap points out, there will probably be some changes.
Did the VCDL draft include the secured container portion?
It would seem prudent to reinstate the "closed container" clause before this bill actually goes anywhere. BTW, didn't VCDL argue for this exception originally? It seems as thought we've shot ourselves in the foot (AD?).Yes, I believe that it did. The idea is that is not needed. As far as how that might effect K-12, is a valid question.
As this bill deletes the basic requirement to have a valid CHP to carry concealed, it allows those under 21 to do so.
Some of these individuals would still be in high school.
If the "closed container" clause is reinstated, we could have situations where students were (inadvertandly?) legally carrying loaded handguns onto K-12 school property.
I don't see how, since public schools are administered by LOCAL governments and thereby obligated to honour preemption... they cannot institute "policies" which supersede state law. Period.That's legal if done properly, but they get suspended or expelled anyway for violating school policy.