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    Friend in Vegas wants to OC without a concealed permit, what does she need to know?

    In Michigan we are really restricted in the places we can OC without a concealed permit.

    My friend is a resident of Nevada and bought her first pistol, she wants to OC, has no concealed permit, what does she need to know?

    I guess this is a general "I want to OC, help me" thread, thanks!

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    Take a moment to look through pass along the Nevada OC Pamphlet sticky at the top of the Nevada forum. Most questions can be answered either in the pamphlet itself, or as answers to other questions in that thread. Then, if you have additional questions, it might be better serving to everyone to ask them there, something of a single point of answers that way.

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    Carrying open has nothing to do with a concealed permit. Having a conceal carry permit does not gives the open carry person any advantages.
    You and your friend might want to spend a few hours reading past postings on the Nevada forum regarding OC laws. A good first step would be to read the open carry Pamphlet field Maximus posted top of the Nevada threads. It has the basic laws.

    For the most part if you are legal to have a firearm, you can legally open carry. The no gun zones for the most part, property of a University, School, or Child Care facility, airport, and state and federal (public) buildings that have the entrances posted no firearms or have metal detectors.

    Business, casinos, stores, bars, malls, restaurants are private buildings there is no law preventing a person from carrying in such business. However, private business can ask you to leave. Private businesses do not have to post signs saying no guns allowed if they do not allow them.
    If after being asked to leave and the person does not, the business then can get law enforcement involved and have the person tress passed which would be the same as not leaving because one refused to put a shirt on.
    Assuming you and your friend would be a novice to open carry it is best not to open carry in any of the casinos. Again, there is no law that says you cannot however most casinos do not allow firearms and you could end up having a conversation with their security force.

    If your friend is a Clark County resident, the firearm needs to be registered (blue card). Outside of Clark, County residents no Clark County registration required.
    Last edited by 28kfps; 01-06-2012 at 01:26 AM. Reason: becaseu I fialed speelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    Carrying open has nothing to do with a concealed permit. Having a conceal carry permit does not gives the open carry person any advantages.
    You and your friend might want to spend a few hours reading past postings on the Nevada forum regarding OC laws. A good first step would be to read the open carry Pamphlet field Maximus posted top of the Nevada threads. It has the basic laws.

    For the most part if you are legal to have a firearm, you can legally open carry. The no gun zones for the most part, property of a University, School, or Child Care facility, airport, and state and federal (public) buildings that have the entrances posted no firearms or have metal detectors.

    Business, casinos, stores, bars, malls, restaurants are private buildings there is no law preventing a person from carrying in such business. However, private business can ask you to leave. Private businesses do not have to post signs saying no guns allowed if they do not allow them.
    If after being asked to leave and the person does not, the business then can get law enforcement involved and have the person tress passed which would be the same as not leaving because one refused to put a shirt on.
    Assuming you and your friend would be a novice to open carry it is best not to open carry in any of the casinos. Again, there is no law that says you cannot however most casinos do not allow firearms and you could end up having a conversation with their security force.

    If your friend is a Clark County resident, the firearm needs to be registered (blue card). Outside of Clark, County residents no Clark County registration required.
    As far as I remember, there is no law against OC in the public places within an airport. If I remember correctly the only laws apply to CC.

    OC is ok anywhere in the City of Henderson and Boulder City (City buildings) including parks, but beware in any other County or City buildings and parks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    As far as I remember, there is no law against OC in the public places within an airport. If I remember correctly the only laws apply to CC.

    OC is ok anywhere in the City of Henderson and Boulder City (City buildings) including parks, but beware in any other County or City buildings and parks.

    TBG
    Thanks TBG. Bad info is worse than no info. Goes without saying no firearms past the security check points. The few times I am in the airport it stays in the car unless I am declaring it as check on to have it at my destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    Carrying open has nothing to do with a concealed permit. Having a conceal carry permit does not gives the open carry person any advantages.
    You and your friend might want to spend a few hours reading past postings on the Nevada forum regarding OC laws. A good first step would be to read the open carry Pamphlet field Maximus posted top of the Nevada threads. It has the basic laws.

    For the most part if you are legal to have a firearm, you can legally open carry. The no gun zones for the most part, property of a University, School, or Child Care facility, airport, and state and federal (public) buildings that have the entrances posted no firearms or have metal detectors.

    Business, casinos, stores, bars, malls, restaurants are private buildings there is no law preventing a person from carrying in such business. However, private business can ask you to leave. Private businesses do not have to post signs saying no guns allowed if they do not allow them.
    If after being asked to leave and the person does not, the business then can get law enforcement involved and have the person tress passed which would be the same as not leaving because one refused to put a shirt on.
    Assuming you and your friend would be a novice to open carry it is best not to open carry in any of the casinos. Again, there is no law that says you cannot however most casinos do not allow firearms and you could end up having a conversation with their security force.

    If your friend is a Clark County resident, the firearm needs to be registered (blue card). Outside of Clark, County residents no Clark County registration required.
    That's not necessarily true. It depends on NV's interpretation of "concealed" while in a car. It also depends on whether or not the carrier wishes to ever wear a jacket. I realize that's not likely in Vegas, but I hear those desert nights can be pretty brisk outside the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    That's not necessarily true. It depends on NV's interpretation of "concealed" while in a car. It also depends on whether or not the carrier wishes to ever wear a jacket. I realize that's not likely in Vegas, but I hear those desert nights can be pretty brisk outside the city.
    Nevada has no restrictions on firearms in a vehicle (except it still cannot be concealed on a person), except that long guns cannot have a round in the chamber. As said correctly, your concealed carry permit gives you no advantage here. There can be as many hidden or open guns in your car as you can fit.

    I've never heard of the federal gun free school zone enforced around here, but that would be a technical advantage.

    The biggest advantage would be the ability to conceal legally if you needed to put a coat over it or did not want a hassle with private property issues, and the latter is a significant advantage to be sure, until carrying firearms becomes more mainstream again.
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    I guess I should have used the full NRS. Per NRS 202.265 one may not have a firearm anywhere on the property of a University, School, or Child Care facility. I guess my wording of no gun zones may lead some to believe I was referring to the federal gun free school zones even though I never used the word federal.

    Wearing a Jacket over the firearm having a CCW permit or open carrying the firearm both are legal and for the most part can be carried in the same facilities. However, Nevada does have a NRS that restricts conceal carry often wrongly used to try to restrict all legally carried firearms. Therefore, in some cases having a concealed permit and carrying concealed could be more restrictive legally than open carry. So as MAC702 and I said for the most part, there really is no legal advantage to having a concealed permit while carrying open.

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    The only advantage to having a CCW, I see, is in that area of the Federal Gun Free School Zone (FGFSZ), between the 1000' from the school property (Federal Law), but not yet on school property (NRS).

    Meaning you can drive the outskirts of the school property, without being on the school property itself, and carry concealed.

    An OC would have to unholster/unload and lock their unloaded firearm in a lockable case. to legally traverse the area, and stay off the actual school grounds.

    I find myself in this situation, in Fallon, a couple of schools are on or near the main roads, and I have to go through a FGFSZ, and we have some friends that live in the FGFSZ.

    I don't think you get any protection, in your vehicle and since I don't have a CCW... yet, to follow this law to the letter, I would plan ahead, and put my unloaded firearm in my gun case and lock it, or detour around the area.

    I've talked to local LEO's they tell me,

    1. The don't enforce the federal law or FGFSZ directly.
    2. They would have to catch you doing something else in the FGFSZ and would propably tacked it on.

    It's really a matter of taking a gamble. I've never been pulled over in a school zone, but there is always that chance. The Local LEO's can't act on the charge directly, does this mean they won't charge me with it? (I wouldn't count on it). I'd hate to ruin my life by not being inconvenienced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Nevada has no restrictions on firearms in a vehicle (except it still cannot be concealed on a person), except that long guns cannot have a round in the chamber. As said correctly, your concealed carry permit gives you no advantage here. There can be as many hidden or open guns in your car as you can fit.

    I've never heard of the federal gun free school zone enforced around here, but that would be a technical advantage.

    The biggest advantage would be the ability to conceal legally if you needed to put a coat over it or did not want a hassle with private property issues, and the latter is a significant advantage to be sure, until carrying firearms becomes more mainstream again.
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    Airports in Nevada?

    I am a pilot and frequently fly to Nevada airports mostly Henderson, but including Boulder City, Mesquite, Jean and some of the smaller, non public passenger(not McCarren or Reno). Do open carry restrictions apply at these smaller airports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Not on your person in the vehicle......
    Yes, you may open carry on your person in a vehicle without any kind of permission slip. My statement already said it cannot be concealed on a person in a vehicle without the permit, so I'm not sure what you are correcting here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oc4ever View Post
    I am a pilot and frequently fly to Nevada airports mostly Henderson, but including Boulder City, Mesquite, Jean and some of the smaller, non public passenger(not McCarren or Reno). Do open carry restrictions apply at these smaller airports.
    If the airport has a security checkpoint (TSA), you cannot carry at all beyond such checkpoint. There are no open carry restrictions in the non-secured areas of an airport in Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    ...I guess my wording of no gun zones may lead some to believe I was referring to the federal gun free school zones even though I never used the word federal...
    If that was to me, I was actually writing independently of your statement. I didn't mean to imply I was correcting anything about your mention of the University, etc. Sorry if it appeared otherwise. You were correct.

    I was independently adding for the OP that in most states a concealed carry permit (even when carrying openly) will exempt you from the bogus Federal GFSZ, whereas standard otherwise legal open carry is technically a Federal crime. I've never heard of this being an issue in Nevada, but I don't get out much, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    If that was to me, I was actually writing independently of your statement. I didn't mean to imply I was correcting anything about your mention of the University, etc. Sorry if it appeared otherwise. You were correct.

    I was independently adding for the OP that in most states a concealed carry permit (even when carrying openly) will exempt you from the bogus Federal GFSZ, whereas standard otherwise legal open carry is technically a Federal crime. I've never heard of this being an issue in Nevada, but I don't get out much, either.
    No problem, your input and knowledge is appreciated. Just was thinking my wording may lead others to that conclusion. I know this was not the case, and sometimes hard to accept, would prefer to be corrected than offer up bad info.

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