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Bar patron kills armed robber, Chesapeake VA
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MSC 45ACP
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That story was one of the most poorly written articles I've ever seen!
SFA!!!
SFA!!!
TFred
Regular Member
Someone needs to remind them... there are NO BARS in Virginia!
I guess the robbers forgot that they repealed the no concealed carry law in Virginia a couple summers ago. A potential Luby's massacre... averted!
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I guess the robbers forgot that they repealed the no concealed carry law in Virginia a couple summers ago. A potential Luby's massacre... averted!
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TFred
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This article indicates that several of the customers were actively resisting the three robbers. Good for them!
TFred
http://www.wvec.com/home/Would-be-robber-shot-during-attempt-robbery-in-Chesapeake-136853148.html
TFred
http://www.wvec.com/home/Would-be-robber-shot-during-attempt-robbery-in-Chesapeake-136853148.html
MSC 45ACP
Regular Member
TFred, Sleep Much?
TFred
Regular Member
Et tu?
TFred... heading to beddy bye land right now...
Hmmmm. I was getting up about then.
Badger Johnson
Regular Member
"Guy in the mask with the light blue Taurus? He might have been a suspect"
Dayum, homie was it a patron or a suspect? Tough crowd, throwing pool cues, good for them.
I read this as 'carrying a Taurus', lol.
PS (Sleep is over rated. I never sleep. At night. Sometimes. (now, the month of January, for example). Posted at 5:42am)
USNA69
Regular Member
Too bad that they couldn't have dropped all three of them.
Message to Bad Guys: "We have guns, too. And, we are everywhere."
Message to Bad Guys: "We have guns, too. And, we are everywhere."
GreatDaneMan
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Right in my area.. My friends band play here alot. I am there on occasion. I worked a few blocks away untill Wednesday.
One of the regulars was shot in the stomach, a guy messed up his foot diving over the bar toward attackers. I believe the guy shot in stomach was the one that ended one of the robbers. Crazy ****. My friends mother works there, but I cant find his phone number..
One of the regulars was shot in the stomach, a guy messed up his foot diving over the bar toward attackers. I believe the guy shot in stomach was the one that ended one of the robbers. Crazy ****. My friends mother works there, but I cant find his phone number..
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IrRelevant
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Just for clarification, the individual that was shot was hit in the stomach and walked out of the bar on his own power. He was in surgery and has since been sent to recovery. Gall bladder was removed but last i heard he is doing well. He is the one that was throwing the pool cues. Another patron is the one who ended the one dirt bags life. The second injury as stated above was a foot injury while jumping the bar to engage the suspects. Obviously the patrons fought back (GREAT JOB ALL BTW), and personally knowing a few of the fellows that frequent this typically quiet establishment, they are not going to let anyone take advantage of them like these cowardly thugs tried. There have been statements that the thugs that ran have since been apprehended, but nothing has been confirmed. Looks as if it was a grand total of 4 thugs, including a driver. Good shooting sir, and i applaud everyone involved in possibly saving a lot of lives.
TFred
Regular Member
Since their cohort was killed as a direct result of this crime, can the surviving robbers be charged with murder?
TFred
TFred
That's way out of my field TFred, but I think with the change in the Triggerman law, they can.
TFred
Regular Member
Mine too, hence the question. I do seem to remember reading that if innocents are killed during the commission of a robbery, even if not at the direct hand of the robber, there can be murder charges. One example that comes to mind would be if a robber is fleeing and causes an accident in which another driver is killed. I don't really see very much different here, the bar patrons were defending their own lives, I don't see any reason the surviving perpetrators should not be held responsible for that death as well. I guess we need User to opine.
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Neplusultra
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Mine too, hence the question. I do seem to remember reading that if innocents are killed during the commission of a robbery, even if not at the direct hand of the robber, there can be murder charges. One example that comes to mind would be if a robber is fleeing and causes an accident in which another driver is killed. I don't really see very much different here, the bar patrons were defending their own lives, I don't see any reason the surviving perpetrators should not be held responsible for that death as well. I guess we need User to opine.
TFred
I would agree if other innocents are killed, including if the innocent was accidentally killed by a defender. I have always had a bit of a problem attaching the guilt of murder to one of the perpetrators when one of the other perpetraters is killed. At best it would see to me to be a form of assiting another's suicide or some such since the dead perpetrator willingly and knowingly put himself into that situation. Having said that it suddenly strikes me that this situation strongly resembles the situation of two dueling parties getting into a gun fight that is not a self-defense by one party. It would be murder for either side to kill the other side. Kind of like a scheduled gang fight might be. But since in our situation one side is innocent all guilt transfers to the other. But these two scenarios are not exact matches though.
I'm not sure if the idea of murder charges is so universally accepted that it never makes it to a higher court, I can't imagine it wouldn't sooner or later. If it hasn't already. It does seem a bit controversial to me.
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Not intended as a cite - just my recollection.
When in the commission of a crime, someone innocent of participation is killed. The perpetrator(s) of the crime can be held accountable for that death even w/o being the one(s) that directly caused it.
Hopefully we shall hear from User who will point out the correct set of circumstances applicable here.
When in the commission of a crime, someone innocent of participation is killed. The perpetrator(s) of the crime can be held accountable for that death even w/o being the one(s) that directly caused it.
Hopefully we shall hear from User who will point out the correct set of circumstances applicable here.
TFred
Regular Member
Well... I spent the evening with my sis and b-i-l, and the subject of Castle Doctrine came up. They told me about this news story from Oklahoma that I somehow had missed... I don't know about Virginia, but apparently in Oklahoma the answer is YES, because they are going to charge the surviving perpetrator with first degree murder, after the teen mom shot the home invader dead!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/0...-invasion-nearly-week-after-shooting-killing/
Wow.
TFred
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/0...-invasion-nearly-week-after-shooting-killing/
Wow.
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TFred
Regular Member
Another video with coverage of the Oklahoma shooting... note the "Castle Doctrine" map shown briefly at the end of the story... they show Virginia with no Castle Doctrine.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghe...uder_thanks_to_strong_progun_laws_in_oklahoma
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wylde007
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Mine's playing there St. Paddy's Day.
Good on the armed patron and those who resisted.
Can and will. Capital murder. The only thing which may separate them from the death penalty is that only one of their cohorts died. They'll be charged with murder one and plea murder two or manslaughter. They'll put the two thugs in separate rooms and give the better deal to whichever one spills first.
I first heard about this from ANOTHER band friend from RICHMOND, of all places. Crazy stuff.
wylde007
Regular Member
And Then They Roll Out the Obligatory Weepy Grandma
"He was a gud keed jus tryin' a turn he life around and now he dead"
Sorry, he was a ghetto thug who committed a felony and lost his life trying to take something what wasn't his.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/wavy-norfolk-family-of-dead-robbery-suspect-speaks
Fortunately it seems like most of Hampton Roads has no sympathy for this woman or her loss - because a man must stand responsible for his actions... and through those actions he has left TWO CHILDREN without a father. Though it sounds like they may have experienced that fate either way.
"He was a gud keed jus tryin' a turn he life around and now he dead"
Sorry, he was a ghetto thug who committed a felony and lost his life trying to take something what wasn't his.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/wavy-norfolk-family-of-dead-robbery-suspect-speaks
Fortunately it seems like most of Hampton Roads has no sympathy for this woman or her loss - because a man must stand responsible for his actions... and through those actions he has left TWO CHILDREN without a father. Though it sounds like they may have experienced that fate either way.